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Originally Posted by AaronM
So...In this "dense wooded area"....The visibility must have been poor. No? Yet 9 different people were able to see a target the size of a hand? And you think that this 6-12" area is what they were aiming for?
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No - that's my point. I would think that when they saw the hand they would try to aim for body mass - based on the hand they were seeing. The guy being on his side, flat - which way he was laying (head/toe) would all come in to play and explain the misses. I'm sure some folks where shooting what what they thought was center mass, but hitting toes - or head - or nothing - because all they saw was a hand poke up through the scrub.
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Originally Posted by AaronM
All that aside I'm going to go out on a limb and make an assumption here....
Since I am familiar with the MP5 and their variations as well as tac teams....I'd suggest that MOST tac teams use a variant with a fire control group that includes a 2 or 3 round burst. In a "dense wooded area", and considering officer safety, full auto would not necessarily be the way to go....Unless you were exercising poor judgment and lack of control.
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That's a fair assumption, but I can tell you that Pinellas County SWAT (2 counties west) runs their MP5s full auto - and - they said that Polk County SWAT does as well. This was straight from talking with PCSO SWAT team members discussing this very case roughly 8 months ago. (Followed by a quick demo of their MP5 at the PCSO range [not me shooting unfortunately - them lol]).
Basically, it's one of those cases that they're asked about all the time.
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Originally Posted by AaronM
I've hunted in "dense wooded areas" and never wished I had anything more than a semi-auto and I hunt things that can hide better and run faster than humans.
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But come on, if it was a human - waiting to ambush you (and had just assaulted your family), you wouldn't go full auto??
I just go back to the math - a quick pop of the trigger spits out 8 - 10 rounds * 9 shooters. It SOUNDS excessive to say a man was shot 68 times, but it is really only a 1 - 2 second pull of the trigger. The entire incident probably lasted 5 - 10 seconds or less.
As a point of interest,
here's the scrub where they were searching for him.