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Originally Posted by Caligari
Let's get one thing straight. AZ is not broke because of this problem, they are broke because, like almost every other state they are not getting revenues due to the recession. What did they do 10 years ago when they had money? NOTHING!
So now they're crying broke over a problem they (and the feds) should have solved a long time ago.
Back to the securing the border thing-
In the first place, how much of that 310 miles is already being patrolled and is secure?
100 miles? And how much of the 310 miles is actually crossable?
There has to be some quantitative, qualitative analysis done to determine exactly what needs to happen to secure the border.
In any case, hypothetically lets triple that, hire 1,800 people with all of the basic high tech equipment for surveillance and communications. Yes thats going to take some money. But this is an investment with return yes? Because you guys are saying once the illegals are kept out AZ stops losing the money right?
What about volunteers? people who talk the talk should walk the walk blah blah...
And how much did it cost to actually write the push thru the new Arizona law, and how many pork barrel crap projects does Arizona have that they could get rid of to solve this problem?
And how much money are these AZ politicians paying themselves? Cut alot of that down and you're getting somewhere.
The reality is, this new law doesnt do squat about the actual problem. Just another costly piece of legislature, money that could have been used to address the actual problem.
Once again, covering 310 miles is not a huge stretch. It is doable, and its doable now as it has been for decades.
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you don't read shit do you?
What good does it do for them to protect their southern boarder if the other states like California, New Mexico, and Texas don't do the same. The illegals can cross 20 miles over in New Mexico then take the interstate right into Arizona. You can't fix the problem protecting just a portion of the boarder you have to protect the entire boarder. Get volunteers to help? are you fucking kidding me?
You in la la land with your 600 people or even 1800 people and it being so easy. If it was easy they would do it. Obviously it isn't that easy and they can not do it on their own. It;s not like AZ politicans and police got to together and said, he we have this problem with illegals, they are costing our state millions of dollars to support them, and they are causing crime, and a lot of drugs and kidnapping are happening because of these people crossing the border illegally.... so guys what should we do. Should we "easily" block the border? No No!!! what fun would that be, lets let them in so we can pass a law to harass all mexicans even the legal ones. YES! lets do that, we don't want to do the easy solution of protecting the boarder we want an excuse to harass people. Hopefully the fed govt wont step up and protect the boarders because then we wont have an excuse to harass all mexicans including the legal ones.
Yeah you right, your version seems so much more believable than mine.
I'm done with this thread, it might be more engaging for me to go debate it with some 3rd graders.