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Originally Posted by Vendzilla
So you're saying we can't secure the border? You were in the military, you know we can, some people may not like it, but we can do it.
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Yeah, I know we can secure it. But not with an improperly equipped, under-staffed agency who has no real clear goal, just a vague mission that is bigger than themselves. You don't need me to tell you that the BP is ineffective. The millions of illegals already here are testament to that fact.
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Originally Posted by Vendzilla
We don't know all the facts, probably never will, it's a war zone there and should be treated as such, using a weapon, either a rock or an AK-47, should be met with extreme prejudice, that can't be tolerated. When I was a bartender and a fight broke out, I hit the bigger of the two and that stopped the fight, I was doing so to protect the other customers.
Violence works, remember the freeways shootings of the late 80's? Everyone started driving politely, it's kinda funny really. I had a tank for truck and would have just plowed into an car shooting at me
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I have to disagree entirely. Violence does not work. Violence begets more violence. Gang violence doesn't decrease when a rival gang is attacked. Prison violence doesn't decrease when a skinhead gets shanked. The Taliban is not putting together fruit baskets for us, they're trying to kill us.
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Originally Posted by Vendzilla
As far as Mexico's problem, they are just that, Mexico's problems, we tried to fix it in 94 by bailing them out with 20 billion dollars and getting them a total of 50 billion, they too fucked up to fix.
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I'm not a diplomat or a politician. But Mexico's problems are
also our problems. We live next to them, they're crosssing our border, living in our country, etc, etc, etc... that makes it our problem. Maybe '94 wasn't the right time. Maybe $50 billion wasn't enough. How much did we give AIG? BOA? GM? Fannie Mae? Freddie Mac? All the others? Maybe they thought throwing money at it alone would work, when it needs more thought out planning and cooperation and coordination. I don't know. But I refuse to believe that we can't work with Mexico in some way to bring them up to our standards and eliminate this shit. We don't have a border war with Canada do we? Do you think that might be because the Canadians are not living in abject poverty? Or just because they're "nice people"?
I believe it's worth trying whatever it takes to make it work. This is our border and our country we're talking about. We can either do it peacefully, or fuck it up and militarize it. Which do you prefer?