Originally Posted by Bill8

Which is why I just report the fact of the measurements, and dont take the obviously speculative step of saying it proves anything.

Science doesn't work like politics.

And the climate system of the planet is too complex to be modeled with the kinds of slogans and is-of-identity statements that politics relies on to manipulate the human brain.

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The ice link you posted is standard political tripe. That's not how science works. You need to keep examining the new measurements and learn how to model a complex trend over time.

We had a colder than average winter on some parts of the globe last year - and colder than average winters ARE ALSO PREDICTED as part of the global warming model.

But the ice that reformed last winter was thin, and has remelted again at a rate never before measured by humans so far this year.

Your politics can never work like science. In order to understand global warming theory you need to learn how to use the scientific method and understand the scientific process.

Science doesn't care what you believe. Its about measurements. Yes, it's done by humans and therefore has human failings, but it is not in the same case of human activities as politics.

Politics is about beliefs and the art of the possible, science is about measurements and shared criticism of models.