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Which brings me to my next point, that there are far better examples to make your argument over, involving police brutality, excessive use of force, etc, than this one. In this case all the guy had to do was simply submit to being detained.
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Isn't that what Oscar Grant did?
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If he was indeed "doing nothing wrong" they'd have had no choice but to let him go.
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Or shoot him in the back.
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Instead he ran, then resisted. Do that and you get what you get, you take your chances, end of story.
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Yep. All for doing..... what again? What was his crime?
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Jeez man. Next time you drive across the border just speed on past the Customs officers, maybe give them the finger as you do so... because why should you have to submit to 'questions', right? You're just going about your business, right? Why should you have to have your time wasted and your privacy invaded just because you're entering another country or re-entering the US? It's your right to not have to answer questions. Don't worry, they won't shoot you either. :D
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Was he entering the country? Was he doing anything that required interaction with authorities in any way?
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If you think cops of any flavor don't have the authority to ask you a few questions you're being pretty naive.
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Then I am naive. I
don't believe the police either have/or should have the right to simply stop anyone they choose for no reason and start questioning them.
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Running away is a form of resisting arrest.
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Well then I learned something today so it's not a total loss. Running away, having done nothing else, just running away.... is a crime. Good to know for future reference.
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*I* don't assume anything, like I've been saying I just know how it is, that's all. If all he did was miss jury duty why not just put your hands up and cooperate? Then when they're questioning you you tell them your deal.
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Or maybe he knew that missing jury duty automatically issues a bench warrant and didn't feel like going to jail today to straighten it out. There are many reasons for not sticking around to talk to the fuzz.
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Better than pulling knives and getting shot to pieces, no?
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1. He pulled his knives
after he was tased. It's not like he was walking around threatening the police with it, they chased him down and tased him, twice.... good for him for pulling a knife on those fuckers. Too bad he wasn't able to take a few out with him.
2. Better? Well that's kind of subjective. It didn't work out better for Oscar Grant.
Same police,
same BART station. Why should
anyone think they will live through an encounter with those cops?
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No, actually it's a perfect analogy. Both the cop thing and my example deal with people flying in the face of a certainty. In one, certain death by hitting the ground and going splatt. In the other, by having umpteen bullets go through you and you going splatt. Both scenarios are avoidable, the only constants are the cops and gravity.
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Bad analogy because you are
choosing to jump out of that plane. This guy didn't
choose to go looking for those cops.
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You don't see it because you don't want to.
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I don't see it because it's not the same thing.
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Maybe those things will be looked at and investigated. One thing we can agree on is that if the cops did anything at all wrong in this incident they should be taken to task for it.
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Agreed.
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But that still doesn't change the fact that the guy was an idiot for pulling knives on armed cops.
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Like I suggested before, maybe he
was taking them out to put them down.
Maybe he was killed for no reason at all. And
maybe the cops should be legally required to shoot video of every encounter they have from now on so that these questions don't come up. We will never know what really happened to this guy.