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Originally Posted by will76
People have never been bigger whores in the last 15 years until now. If Nathan ask's them to suck his dick, they would be lining up so they could get their videos on his site, or for him to buy their content, etc. What happened before, what is happening now, what may happen, who else is getting fucked by them. No one cares anymore, they all turned into whores because their business is crashing and they need as many sales as they can get.
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The ironic thing is that they are groveling to one of the companies most responsible for their businesses crashing.
Many people cheering on the Mansef/Brazzers/Manwin business model here fail to realize that there are significant differences between how the TGPs/MGPs operate(d) and how Tube sites run by Mansef have been operating.
Mansef/Manwin is fighting lawsuits against the US government and private companies because they are perceived by them as being a criminal/illegal enterprise.
Throughout this thread, Nathan / Fabian Thylmann has been hemming and hawing, parsing words, and dissembling. He can't seem to give forthright answers to anything anyone really wants to know about.
He calls himself a Managing Partner, but he can't name whom his other "Partners" are. Why should that be a secret?
He appears to be hiding more than he is revealing, and yet he asks people to trust him.
He apparently did the same thing when Virage Media acquired a few German assets following his parting way with NATS (not long before their security issues were made public). Existing affiliates reported what they claimed were big losses in sales and alleged shaving going on.
To my knowledge he didn't flip his major German assets. He is still presumably paying for them. Therefore, I'm not quite sure how he can afford even more financial/credit exposure, since as I understand it, his company Virage/Manwin is a Limited Partnership, and not even a Corporation (particularly with large deals, creditors care about such distinctions).
With regards to Envisionext, Nathan/Fabian tried to deny anything more than a fraternal relationship with the Envisionext President/CEO, Stan Fiskin (Envisionext did some design work for Virage Media).
Yet in an X-Biz article about the new Virage VP for Mergers and Acquisitions, Bob Rice (who has not been mentioned much, if at all, in this thread), it is stated that Virage acquired Envisionext (anyone know what Bob Rice is up to these days?):
Virage Media specializes in strategic investments and recently acquired XTube.com and IWantU.com. The company owns New Jersey-based Envisionext Inc., a web design and solutions firm with offices in Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, and other U.S. and European cities.
On LinkedIn, Stan Fiskin is listed as VP of BizDev for Virage Media:
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/+/Fiskin
Yet, they still try to spin it as if there was/is no formal/legal relationship between Envisionext/Virage/Manwin.
If you look at records for HQtube, they indicate that Envisonext owns/owned HQtube, and if you look at Xtube, Virage owned/owns it. Both companies appear to currently fall under the SexRevenue program, owned by Virage. This alone certainly seems to confirm more than a casual fraternal relationship between Nathan/Fabian and Stan.
Even with Manwin, Nathan/Fabian doesn't appear as if he plans to be the hands-on Managing Partner/CEO (boss) on the scene in Canada, but instead will delegate from Germany, perhaps to the same people at the former Mansef (since he has been vague about who has left - if any - and who remains).
Mansef is/was not especially well-liked within the industry, and are the targets of the US government and other companies that are fed up with their shabby business practices. I imagine by now that the Canadian government has an eye on them as well.
I've worked with programmers for many years. I think Nathan/Fabian is a bright programmer. However, such people do not necessarily make great business leaders.
I kind of doubt that Nathan / Fabian has acquired the kind of wealth that would enable him to outright purchase Mansef without some assistance.
Others have alleged that he is in bed with fugitives Jain Shaileshkuma (aka Sam Jain) and Bjorn Daniel Sundin, who made hundreds of millions allegedly defrauding people with scareware and other scams.
Despite his denial of knowing who "Sam Jain" is, Nathan / Fabian has left plenty of semantical wiggle room for himself to claim to not be lying (Sam like Nathan uses more than one name/alias), and is therefore still susceptible to cynicism from people that have observed how he has spun other simpler issues (few people would openly acknowledge that they are involved in a criminal enterprise).
The people that have indicated that Sam and Dan may be silent partners, do not appear to me to have any particular axe to grind with Nathan/Fabian. Their focus seems to be on
Sam and Dan.
It may take some time for all of this to play out. Until concrete changes are observed coming from the Mansef/Manwin network of companies,
which Take Down Piracy has attempted to document, I would recommend everyone to proceed with extreme caution with regards to Manwin.
ADG