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Far-L · 07-23-2010, 03:46 PM

Will76... respect to you too for using an open source image to mock me with. At least that shows that you not a hypocrite about content copyrights. Respect.

You aren't a bad guy and I apologize for busting your balls. You are free to criticize us as you see fit. Hopefully, you can hear me on these simple points. We don't condone theft of content. We know that all the "user" submitted tubes exist in a grey area of being considered "theft" - and this is true for mainstream as well, ie, YouTube before it was cleaned up, etc. We took the time and effort and expense to weigh this problem in depth and decided on a course of action that is highly controversial. We did not make the decision lightly.

You say they are "theives" but forgive me, until that is proven by something like the PV lawsuit, or government crackdown, or whatever, I have to go by innocent until proven guilty. People call Google and Bing theives for the same reasons. Do you think they are? I have not had the problems others encountered. Why should I go by anything else that people I don't even know claim? How do I know their intentions? What if someone claimed someone you work with and have only had a good experience with was bad? Would you go by the accusation of someone you don't know or the experience of your own relationship? We work with Google and Bing to make money, even though they "stole" a ton of our content. Right or wrong. Ethical or unethical? If only it were so simple.

I know that sharing this has prompted such criticism and ridicule but hopefully people can see that there are a lot more intricacies to this than just who or who didn't upload content. On that count, it is not a matter of us not caring as people here accuse, it is a matter of taking control of the situation in a way that doesn't hurt us with costly litigation against an uncertain outcome, that can reverse a loss to a profit, and that adjusts to the ever changing landscape of how the industry evolves. We wish it could be as black and white as you see it, if it were, trust me, I would be in total agreement, but that is just not the case. For us, there are so many shades of grey and we have to find our own way through that fog. Sorry that we have to be at odds as a result.

07-23-2010, 03:46 PM
Far-L Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 6,075	Will76... respect to you too for using an open source image to mock me with. At least that shows that you not a hypocrite about content copyrights. Respect. You aren't a bad guy and I apologize for busting your balls. You are free to criticize us as you see fit. Hopefully, you can hear me on these simple points. We don't condone theft of content. We know that all the "user" submitted tubes exist in a grey area of being considered "theft" - and this is true for mainstream as well, ie, YouTube before it was cleaned up, etc. We took the time and effort and expense to weigh this problem in depth and decided on a course of action that is highly controversial. We did not make the decision lightly. You say they are "theives" but forgive me, until that is proven by something like the PV lawsuit, or government crackdown, or whatever, I have to go by innocent until proven guilty. People call Google and Bing theives for the same reasons. Do you think they are? I have not had the problems others encountered. Why should I go by anything else that people I don't even know claim? How do I know their intentions? What if someone claimed someone you work with and have only had a good experience with was bad? Would you go by the accusation of someone you don't know or the experience of your own relationship? We work with Google and Bing to make money, even though they "stole" a ton of our content. Right or wrong. Ethical or unethical? If only it were so simple. I know that sharing this has prompted such criticism and ridicule but hopefully people can see that there are a lot more intricacies to this than just who or who didn't upload content. On that count, it is not a matter of us not caring as people here accuse, it is a matter of taking control of the situation in a way that doesn't hurt us with costly litigation against an uncertain outcome, that can reverse a loss to a profit, and that adjusts to the ever changing landscape of how the industry evolves. We wish it could be as black and white as you see it, if it were, trust me, I would be in total agreement, but that is just not the case. For us, there are so many shades of grey and we have to find our own way through that fog. Sorry that we have to be at odds as a result. __________________ HomegrownCash.com, the affiliate program of Homegrown Video - The Largest Collection of Amateur XXX - Est. 1982. Contact - Email: farrell AT homegrownvideo D com Skype: hgfarl Newsweek Magazine - "Homegrown Video, the longest running series in the history of porn."