Originally Posted by will76

You sure have been the cocky one is this thread, for being a picture and video site owner. While you may still be doing ok sales wise and you may not be relying on affiliates, your days are numbered as well. I don't buy that your business is still doing great and if it still holding its own it will decrease over time with all of the other picture and video sites. Unless you offer live cams, or a ton of interaction you will go the way of all of the other sites closing down.

Sure the shit cookie cutter sites, that never updated and was built around cross sales are going first. But don't be so confident it will stop there. Those of you doing business with tube sites like pornhub are helping to supplement your sales some because of the customers you are plucking from the tube site where as the other companies with their content being stolen and put up on tube sites are losing sales to tube sites and gaining nothing.

Here is the deal, the tube site is hoarding a lot of the traffic on the net now. You and a small group of companies are doing deals with these tube sites to split up the "x" number of buying customers on the tube site. I'll give you an example.

Lets say 100K people find a tube site for the first time every day. (these are example numbers) Lets say of those 100K people 1K would have went on to be a porn buyer if they didn't find the tube site first and the full length videos. Of those 1K people, now only 100 is still willing to buy, the other 900 are satisfied with the full length videos. Now lets say that you and 9 other companies are featured heavily on that tube site. For the sake of examples, lets say that those 10 companies benefit from those 100 sales, they each get 10 sales a day. So even though 900 potential buyers were lost, you still made 10 sales, so what the hell do you care right? So what if you and those other 9 companies are the only ones benefiting from tube sites, where as those 900 sales didn't go other companies, so you don't care.

I truly believe what I explained above is happening. I believe the people who worked out deals on tube sites are making decent sales from it, because of shear volume but at the cost of the entire industry because so many potential porn buyers dont end up buyer because they found the full length stuff for free and that satisfies them enough vs paying $30 a month, potentially being crossed sale to death, not being able to cancel, getting bogus charges, etc.

Now here is the problem for those people like you Far-L. You doing good "now" but your days a limited as well because:

1. It's only a small group of companies like you working with the tube sites. But that wont last long, the tube site doesn't care about making sure the pool is small so the people involved get a big piece of the pie and a lot of sales, they care about having a ton of content. So people like Nathan will pick up as many companies as they can get so he can add as much content as he can to his site. So today you might be splitting it 10 ways, in six months or a year you might be splitting it 100 ways. So your 10 sales a day goes down to 1 sale a day.

2. In my example, those 900 that don't buy. Well that is 27,000 over the course of one month, as the number grows more and more each day you better believe that some of those people would have found your site somewhere else and paid. So you are losing potential sales because of the tube site. Don't be naive, you making sales from the tube site but you will have a net loss at some point even with your content on there with links back to you. Once the tube site is saturated with advertisers + the large number of potential buyers decreasing daily the find the tube site for the first time, you will see a net loss in the near future.

3. credit card crunch and declines, it is affecting everyone.

You might be a fast tough little dinosaur that made a deal with the devil for protection but sooner or later the comet is going to wipe you all out and the devil could give a shit. Enjoy your cockiness and continue to think you won't be affected by all of this that will ensure your own demise even more. I would suggest either starting your own tube site, or a cams site.

Shap can come on here and talk shit. He is one of the few who can, he owns some great tube site names and built his own tube sites where he controls the traffic and can control how the pie gets split up and how many of the sales his tube site generates can go to him. Far-L you have no room you be cocky, all you have is a picture and video site and dealing with the tube sites might cause you to hang on longer but it wont save you.

I'm better off than you, by being skilled in promoting cam sites. Tube sites are going to crush my sales, just your business ultimately.