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You are calling me long winded? ummmm. ok. Let's just let that one get called by a third party.
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The difference is I am not making a long wind post about how you are not worth replying to.
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Ok. Here it is and better pay attention since you obviously missed this the first ten times I tried to explain it to you.
1. We are a brand that has customer loyalty. The fan example used earlier by Robbie about the Stones works for us too. People like us. They trust us. They are willing to pay for the service, entertainment, consistency, and the uniqueness of what we provide. I learned a lot about free content and community during my years following the Dead. I don't expect you to understand. We have long term fans and we continue to earn new fan's loyalty in the same way. I can get any Dead show for free, so why do I still buy their releases?
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You may have loyal customers, but they fall off along the way and you need to replace them. They get married, move on, can't afford it, credit cards get declined, find something better... well that stuff happens regardless of tube sites but now that your content is out there on tube sites for free, its hurting your ability to replace those that fall off.
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2. Yes there are ten more companies at the door. Some will have something unique but most will be just trying to copy what everyone else does so they will miss the boat. Looking at most tubes and after a while you realize that it is mostly the same stuff, over and over, very little personality, and starts to become boring. We do our best not to fall into the same trap. The tube surfers apparently think the same since we look at their feedback and ratings.
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You totally missed it here. I said that tube sites will keep bringing in more and more companies as they go legit because they will want legal content. They not going to just stick with the small group they are working with right now. There is a finite number of porn buyers they produce a day from their site. When you have to split up the site with 100 other companies vs 10 (from my example) your tube sites sales will suffer. You live by the tubes you die by the tubes. According to alexa 40% of your traffic comes from youporn and pornhub alone.
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3. In a community site, where the members are part of the experience and feel like they are actively involved in the creation and mutual pleasure of the site, you get a different kind of loyalty to the product, beyond brand, beyond fashion... it is called love.
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what is more powerful than love is money. When times get tight for your site lovers, they will do with out the "experience" and watch the same damn full length clips for free that are on tube sites.
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4. We have always looked past where things are and set goals for what we want. Sometimes we win. Sometimes we lose. Regardless, we stay in control of our brand and product and don't ever "give it all away" or do anything desperate. If you saw as many companies fall apart as I have over the years then you would probably appreciate our "tortoise" approach rather than the "hare" strategy so many employ.
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I see you reference "the sky is falling" people but yet you are still here. It's your arogance that is going to kill you. Your full length content on tube sites for free, is the one issue that really will kill you. If you didn't think it was an issue and didn't hurt you wouldn't ask them to take it down. Why do you ask them to take it down if your "experience" is so good, then the full length videos out there for free wouldn't be hurting you then right?
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5. Diversification - we know how to pick lots of different apples from the money tree.
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about the only thing I agree with and with your attitude on your current business forecast about tube sites, i hope you do a good job at diversifying.
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6. If you are a cam expert, then you must understand how the girls that are the best looking are not necessarily the ones making the most money -in fact, it is usually the girls with the best personality. Imagine a site where even the management staff/webmasters/etc. behaved in that manner, interacting with the customers in that fashion -and the content had personality and spontaneity instead of being so rote you could set your watch to it - would that make sense why we are able to convert and retain?
There is more but I will leave it at that for now. If you can have the decency to respond professionaly then I will be happy to discuss further and provide more detail.
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sure, it would help, but just having the "managment' interact with you isn't going to be worth it for people to stick around at $19.95 a month when they can get everything else for free on a tube site. But you can't compare a girl chatting with a guy live on cam and giving him a great show with the management of your site getting involved with the members. You also can't compare with going to a concert with making pirated copies of the music. If you want to do a good comparison, you can go to one concert 100% free but you have to walk around to a couple different stages and the people in the crowd aren't talkative to you or you pay $100 to go to a concert to see the same band where you can sit in a chair and don't have to move and the people next to you are nice. In today's economy, 95% are going to go to the free concert and do a little walking if they want to catch all the songs or they will just listen to a few and go home and save their money. How do you compete with the free concert when you trying to have a paid one?
ALSO, your "experience" isn't something you advertise on your site, so how will potential buyers even know about it, nor to be honest would they care. The only thing 90+% of these viewers care about is watching the video and getting off, not that the managers of the site might interact with them and it might be fun, especially not at a price of coughing up $59.95 to join the site... when they can get the videos for free on the net. Maybe you can keep a small portion from leaving you to go to a tube site, but everyone cancels eventually. And retention rate is just as important as replacement rate. If you retain even 6 months but your new sales are impacted and drop off then your base will still decline and you will never recover.
I suspect you doing business with the tube sites has insulated you some from seeing the big drops that other programs have faces from their content being stolen and found on sites like youporn and pornhub. But you get sales from there. I explained, at lenght how that may help you now, but even that will be diluted as they add more and more people like you. You are just a pawn to them, they could give a shit about you, but it seems you have this false sense of security and can't see how in the end you going to end up just like everyone else but you were in bed with them and defended them and they still fucked you.
And with you having an attitude like this:
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Listen, the moment one of you spends the amount we have spent truly fighting for the industry with our hard earned money, rather than just standing up on some soap box and sermonizing like alcoholic preachers trying to atone for their sins by calling fire and brimstone on everyone else, let me know.
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The instant someone here can become as open a book as we have been willing to become in litigation, creating a public record, so that anyone could examine us freely, then maybe I will listen but only when you are willing to go the same distance of accountability.
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Until I have an experience with these guys to the contrary, I can only say how our relationship has gone....We go our way. Our decision might be unpopular but we are basing our experience on our history and not on a bunch of disgruntled webmasters looking for someone to blame for their own inadequecies.
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Tell me how much you pay month to month on legal to address IP issues? If it is more than we do then I will bow to your efforts and give praise. But if we spend more then you should just bend over and kiss my ass...  |
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(Newsweek - "Homegrown Video is the longest running series in the history of porn")Btw... did Newsweek, GQ, Marie Claire, US News, HBO, CBS, ABC, etc. etc., ever do a story on you camboy?
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It seems like you think you will be ok with tube sites because you made the tactical decision to work with them therefore you will continue to make lots of sales. You don't want to listen to anyone else if they disagree with you because the rest of our opinions don't matter because we haven't done what you have.... in the past. And you made it through everything else so you will again and we are all just stupid complainers missing an opportunity to do business with the very people that will ultimately kill your business.