Originally Posted by Robbie

I know you have to keep it on the downlow so you don't lose your clients to somebody else...but again, I have to ask: Are there any actual REAL affiliates with freesites like we were for over a decade that can still send honest traffic to a paysite and have 50 + people decide of their own free will to join that paysite?

That's a real whale in my experience. And I ain't talking about "Free joins" or trials that are gonna get monetized via x-sells (and yes, people are still doing x-sells), I'm talking about the old fashioned notion that a guy sees an ad for a paysite, clicks that ad, checks out the tour and buys a membership.

From what I have seen over the last couple of years with piracy the ratios are HIGH these days. It's not unusual to send 2,000 uniques of real surfers who clicked on a link with the intention of checking out a paysite and only get 1 sale.

So let's say your whales are converting like that. That would mean they are sending 200,000 UNIQUES a day to a single paysite and all of it is perfectly targeted traffic.

So now I would say...tell me like I'm in first grade, how anybody is doing that when nobody has traffic left anymore unless your name is "pornhub"?

I just can't see how they are doing it in a way that is honest and consists of actual people intending to join a site. And I'm pretty clever and quick with making money.

So if somebody could just give me a clue...just a small clue, instead of the mysterious: "Oh they are out there...muahahahahaha" as to how they can do all these sales when they don't have that kind of traffic....I'd like to know.