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Old 08-22-2010, 05:24 PM  
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Originally Posted by Bill8 View Post
Really? What didn't I comprehend?

Are you saying you dont want to discuss this calmly and reasonably?

I would like to see your side fund and organize real scientific method research to demonstrate your case. That's how science works, thru the shared collecting of measurements and peer review of theories, models, experiments, and measurements.

When I drop your quoted sentence in google, I get no scientific sources for the first few pages, all i get is opinion.

So I look for actual science websites referring to the source, the "US National Snow and Ice Data Centre"

The first approximately scientific page I come across is from nasa:

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/fea...s_feature.html

Which comfirms the measurement, and says the following below:

( Summary in advance - yes the past few winters have been colder than average, leading to an increase in the growth of a thin surface ice, but this growth is a temporary winter phenomenon, and is considerably offset by a decline in the thicker permanent ice.

Colder winters, by the way, are included and predicted in the global warming models. This is caused by two major forces. The first is the increase in wator vapor that the on-average warmer global air can contain - this leads to increases in snow and cloud cover over cooler areas, producing unusually cold and snowy winters, like last winter. The second force has been called the "bathtub effect", that is, as the air on the summer hemisphere warms, its expansion forces the cold air collecting on the winter side of the globe to move in unusual patterns, which can also increase snow and clouds. )



Now, just because this opinion is from NASA does not make it science - but now that I do this little bit of research I recall other debates I've read about the question of thin surface ice, even tho I did not at first recognize your quote, which it looks like you took from some opinion page; and all of the conclusions I recall took this form - yes, cold winters caused more thin surface ice, but the thin surface ice melted unusually quickly in the summer, leading to an overall net loss of surface ice.
We get it. More ice, and colder temps ALSO means that there is Global warm... err umm climate change. Its all "science"... Its all VERY impressive....

Thankfully the poor Polar bears won't have to swim as far to get to a new chunk of ice now. I remember how they were all drowning from the lack of ice, and that was our "motivation" to get moving forward on "fixing the problem". Luckily Al Gore and his Ilk were all more than happy to start selling everyone "carbon offsets" while at the same time Al had one of the highest non commercial property electric bills in the state of TN. Obviously he takes this all VERY seriously and and is more motivated than ever to keep all those poor polar bears from drowning.

I still get tears in my eyes thinking of those purty white bears that can only swim 100 miles non stop, so I can see why everyone was so concerned.... DAMN YOU GLOBAL WARMING!!
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