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Originally Posted by FreeHugeMovies
Google SEO Fundamentals
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Will do, thanks
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Originally Posted by Vendzilla
seobook has a lot of tools that are free, get them, they work
Incoming links are what I've been told are the best, so one of the things I'm going to do is build free sites that point to the main site
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Will check it out again.
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Originally Posted by ~Ray
Sounds like you just need a few more backlinks that use the keyword you rank #10 for.
~Ray
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I'll look into it definitely.
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Originally Posted by mikke
there is no fucking money in seo!!!!!!!!!!!
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Not looking for money, looking to get up to scratch with it. And you are wrong btw.
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Originally Posted by icymelon
its not rocket science. but give linkspun a try after you read up
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Not sure what linkspun is, but i'll look into it.
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Originally Posted by TeenCat
nobody will ever share with you something that works at the the moment. all the seo books and all the manuals you can see are old already or are fake. if there is something that works, everyone will make money of it, you know ... after many of fails success will come, go for it man! 
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Cheers, it's always nice to hear some positivity. Judging by the vibes on this forum, you'd think the world was ending.
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Originally Posted by gamingaffiliatesguide
backlinks is your missing link
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Thanks.
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Originally Posted by VHNet
The rules of SEO seem to change rather quickly now-a-days...especially if you're hunting for Google. Google Caffeine = ninja gaiden.
Most of the info you'll find on SEO is more of a "base" for you to build your own ideas on. People, especially gurus, only release info once the information's relevancy no longer benefits them as much as it used to....they create an info product...and resell it. Then people steal it, add a sentence or two...and resell it again.
Best of luck to you though. Understanding the "base" that you need to further your SEO studies is a long, but beneficial, process.
One tip: if something you read seems "fishy" -- it usually is. Don't do it...or risk playing in the sandbox.
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Sage advice thanks.
P.s how do you tell if google has banned a site?
thanks