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Originally Posted by cyberxxx
I don't want to know where did you get the numbers and I don't think you will be able show them to me, so I don't care.
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Caucasian War: Russian army of a quarter million troops invades an army of around 7,000 troops of which at least 5,000 were killed. Dead Russians ~4,000. The number of civilians killed is not really known.
Soviet Rule: The entire Chechen population was deported to Siberia. 170,000 to 200,000 Chechens were killed (up to 1/2 of their entire population) vs. no dead Soviets.
First Chechen War: 100,000+ Dead Chechens (mostly civilians) vs. ~5,362 Dead Russians (all military).
Second Chechen War: 25,000 to 200,000+ Dead Checkens (mostly civilians) vs. 8,000 to 40,000 Dead Russians (all military).
Up to 505,000 Dead Chechens vs. up to 49,362 (most likely less than 20,000) Dead Russians.
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Originally Posted by cyberxxx
I'm open for any mature discussion, but in your case it's like to explain to a child what quantum mechanic is. Sorry, but PLEASE no offense if I will ignore your posts. Nothing personal, ok?
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The truth is too scary for you I guess.
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P.S. As about Russian media. 1st and 2nd national TV channels are directly controlled by Kremlin. Others are not (e.g. REN TV). Radio (e.g. Echo Msk), press and internet media are uncontrolled as well (I REALLY HOPE I don't have to explain why youtube.com don't give a shit about Russian government).
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I'm not an armchair cowboy sitting on my Lazy Boy down in Texas. I have a flat in Russia and have lived in various parts of Russia, off and on, for 10 years. I am well aware of how the press in the West is manipulated. I am also not just picking on your motherland. There are some issues that I totally side with Russia on (e.g. the Soviets being unfairly labeled as invaders of Afghanistan).
Here is a good article on your free press:
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Killing the Russian Media
Journalists from around the world who will gather in Moscow next week are poised to stand up for their colleagues in a country where journalism and journalists are increasingly under attack. The 1,000 media representatives plan to establish a commission to finally investigate the growing number of unsolved murders of journalists in Vladimir Putin?s Russia.
Russia is now the third deadliest country for journalists, after Iraq and Algeria, according to the Committee to Protect Journalists. Since the year 2000, when President Putin was first elected, at least 14 journalists have been murdered because of their work. None of these murders have been solved.
A journalists? commission is no substitute for what Mr. Putin?s government has denied ? justice. But it should draw attention to their murders and what they were investigating. It also may help focus attention on the methodical destruction of the fledgling free press that sprouted in Russia after the fall of Communism.
After Mr. Putin took over, national television stations were the first to lose their independence. Major newspapers are increasingly controlled by those who do the state?s bidding. The radio correspondents for the Russian News Service, the main source of news for radio stations, resigned earlier this month to protest censorship by new owners. And the Russian Union of Journalists, a strong voice against the march to silence any independent reporting, was ordered to leave its Moscow headquarters just days before the international conference.
The few remaining critics increasingly write or speak out at their peril, as new laws tighten the government?s grip. Most recently, the definition of extremism has been expanded to include media criticism of state officials. That can mean jail time for the reporter and the shutting down of the news outlet. Nina Ognianova of the Committee to Protect Journalists puts it chillingly: ?The process of squeezing critical journalism out of the public space is now near complete.?
In the meantime, polls show President Putin?s popularity has soared. No wonder. Fewer and fewer Russians can see or hear from anyone who opposes him, his policies or his government.
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Also Russia is currently ranked 153rd in the Press Freedom Index:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_Freedom_Index