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Originally Posted by Nathan
Sorry, but I do not agree that this is the same thing...
I will try to find a more comparable scenario... its not easy though:
Steve buys a DVD of my videos in a store, he then duplicates this DVD a billion times and puts them all in a big truck on the side of the road, with a sign on it saying "take one free".
You now come by and take a DVD and walk on.
1) In real life, you would most likely not be sued, I would have to check this a bit with my lawyers though to be honest but I think copyright law wise there is no way to sue you because you took the DVD.
2) I would not want to see you prosecuted, I would only want to see Steve prosecuted for doing this in the first place.
An example of why I said before this seems dangerous..
Imagine I now, because I actually managed to sue you and you had to pay me $500, make a billion copies of my DVDs, put them in a truck on the side of the road, put the sign up myself, and make a photo of everyone taking a DVD. I then sue them all a month later based on the photo because they took the DVD without paying...
And this would be much easier to do online than offline...
This is the only reason I find suing those people dangerous. I in general understand why people would like suing downloaders, I just think it opens up a possible can of worms...
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Nor sure that analogy is correct either because no one is putting up a sign saying to take them for free.
I'm sure we can agree on this, torrent users are not people who just got on the internet for the first time. Torrent users seem to be slightly more advanced users. Do you agree?
Assuming you have said yes, then we have to also assume that a user that is a little more advanced will know, without question, that he is downloading videos, music, software, movies... all illegally. He knows these are for sale and that he is skirting the sale and getting them for free. This is what makes him guilty, because he knows what he is doing.
Now, lets say torrents were for total beginners on the internet. For people who have no idea what the internet is about. They have no idea these materials are for sale somewhere else. THEN I would agree with you, it would be wrong to sue them.
Also, I don't believe that anyone going after both uploaders and downloaders are putting a basket of free porn online to trick them into downloading so they can sue. Someone will abuse this down the road I'm sure, but I don't believe this is the intention with Lightspeed and Grooby. If they can make a few bucks from this, good for them. This is a more honest approach that what your company has done to profit. They at least own the content they may profit from. If they can push torrent users further underground and scare off some people from downloading, that is a win. The point is, it has to start somewhere. Your company has literally raped this industry bareback over the past few years, and while you were not part of them then, you are now, and claim to be making changes. Well, this too is a change. Lets see where the cards fall with it, but I wouldn't say either Lightspeed or Grooby NEED to do this to make a profit on their content. Saying they do, is a slap in their face.
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Originally Posted by Nathan
DWB, stop ripping things out of context, I said often enough that I support suing the uploaders... suing downloaders has NOTHING to do with protecting the content! It does not PROTECT the content at all, it just makes money with the people that downloaded it.
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I agree to disagree with you on this one. For starters, you can bet your ass the user who is sued is not going to steal porn again. That is a win right out of the gate.
If they sue enough of them and more companies start to do this as well, less and less will download porn from the torrents. I hope it makes the news. That helps their case as that very news will let them know they are breaking the law if by some freak chance they don't know already. PIRACY WILL NEVER STOP so don't think I'm saying that. It won't. Not until some laws are changed. But they can cut it down and make a small dent, which is a start. It's better than sitting on your ass and letting guys rob you blind.