Originally Posted by Bill8

you should practice avoiding ad hominem and strawman arguments.

they are weak rhetoric AND logical fallacies, and by definition, it's close to impossible to actually win an argument with them.

let the other side use them, but avoid them yourself, or use them sparingly as an accompaniment to more substantive arguments.

i realize you have fun with the ad hominem, but, it doesn't work.

added - the chosen quote was just to make it clear I was aiming these comments directly to you, it has no other connection to what I am saying.

Originally Posted by marketsmart

i dont see a leader/s that would direct the peoples focus in the right place...

Originally Posted by marketsmart

like i said, i have resigned myself from the political system. i have no faith in it and i dont think it will change.