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Originally Posted by TheDoc
You act as if you've never used a Gov service before.
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Uhm, I like having roads and police and fireman and such just fine. My point was that we have a welfare system in place, so acting like this new bill will help the "poor" is simply false. The poor who are willing to go on assistance were already covered. This bill does add additional expenses to the budgets of an already heavily squeezed middle class.
How do you multiply $3k x 2.2 years and get $20k for a birth? You are obviously smart enough to see that doesn't make sense. I really think the problem with the whole insurance sales pitch is that it inhibits people's basic math skills. They push so many emotional buttons that people stop thinking straight.
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I've never seen that or heard that in a cancer patient before.
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You've never come across a cancer patient before whose treatment came to less than a
million dollars?
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Very little, that's how many can't afford it.
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Okay, I haven't gotten a flu shot and you didn't know the answer, so I looked it up. Looks like a lot of grocery stores and pharmacies offer them for free to the needy and they cost $25 to $30 for those who can pay. Are you seriously suggesting that I should pay thousands of dollars a year for health insurance, so I can get a $30 flu shot I don't especially want?
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They offer insurance in Canada.. it's just not out of control. I worked in Canada for 2 years, had full access to the health system and every other benefit including the $900 tax refund for gas tax they had left over.
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You were talking about not outlawing an industry, just because insurance is a predatory, economically-destructive industry. I pointed out that, in Canada, they didn't outlaw insurance, they just made it mostly superfluous for healthcare. You wouldn't support something like that which would take care of everyone, even if it did limit immigration, as Canada does? How was what you said, in any way, a response to that point? Do you dislike the Canadian system in general or just not want it in the US?
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If you're on the Gov dime you should be required to prove that you need it. If you can afford drugs, you don't need Gov assistance. If you're fat lazy shit head that eats out every meal, you make more than enough money, you don't need Gov help on Insurance or anything.
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So is your point that you think people on welfare should face additional humiliation or that you think everyone should get insurance through a system where everyone gets treated that way or that you think the government should get to decide what each and every American is permitted to spend or save money on?
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Anyone that works can afford it, anyone that truly can't - truly can't afford to get sick, at all either.
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I don't know where you live, but I live in California where minimum wage is $8/hr and of course that doesn't apply to people in business. Someone who can't afford a $30 flu shot, definitely can't afford thousands of dollars a year for insurance, especially when that insurance could disallow everything they need, if they ever are late with a payment.
Can you seriously not get it through your head that insurance, by adding a heartless middleman, makes healthcare more expensive and less accessible and insurance is almost always more expensive than healthcare?