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Originally Posted by AmeliaG
Okay, what in this bill helps anyone who is poor or middle class i.e. not the tax haven stuff for the wealthy, just what you think is new and helpful?
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It's health insurance... so the entire thing.
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Originally Posted by AmeliaG
Your math was that a $20k bill for childbirth equaled about 2.2 years of premiums. If so, then how can 33 years of premiums be less than $100k?
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I'm not really sure how this is relevant.. but the 2.2 years is 8k with state services, if we did it on 20k for full price it's like 6 years.
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How do you think insurance companies make money? You understand they are, in our current system, for-profit?
Do you understand that my whole objection to being forced to buy insurance is that I have done the math and understand that insurance will almost certainly cost me more over a lifetime than healthcare will?
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Just like I am.. however what they do is broker the cost between services. It's not a cost in cost out business.
That's the thing, I don't care if you can get it cheaper. Or if you're one of those few lucky ones that never have a problem or never get hurt... The point is to make sure others who aren't so lucky can be covered and for people like you that refuse it, don't have it, something really bad happens and it ends up costing the tax payer either way.
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Originally Posted by AmeliaG
Many grocery stores and drugstores already give flu shots out for free to the needy. Maybe some people in rural areas have trouble getting them, but we need more doctors in rural areas anyway. That is an entirely additional issue, which should have been addressed in this bill. Is there something about flu shots in this healthcare bill?
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Yes, the flu shots and all vaccines would be part of it. No reason to focus in one one thing, lots of little things people need all the time that they can't afford.
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My point was that Canada didn't have to outlaw it or regulate it to get rid of the abuses; they just gave people a decent and obvious alternative.
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They regulated the living piss out of insurance, you can get insurance on top of the Gov care, all of which is regulated heavily as well.
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Canada does not permit elderly Americans to buy property there because they fear abuses of their healthcare system.
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When you provide the better service, like Canada has. You have to create laws to stop people from coming in to get those services. Much like we do with our southern border.
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So, if someone loses their job because they are a drug addict and it eventually impacts their performance, you think, as a society, we should let them starve in the street? If someone eats cheap fattening food, instead of more healthy expensive food, then, when they hit a certain weight, you think, as a society, we should let them starve in the street? I don't think that is where your heart is at, so you must just not have thought this through.
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If they failed to get help, yes - cut them off. I have zero heart from them if they want to get on the system for free.
No, I think he could pay his own way, without question. Healthy food is not more expensive, not by a long shot - organic food might be, but eating healthy costs far less - you even eat less. If you choose to live a life style like this, you shouldn't get free care. If you're able to afford fat ass foods, eating out, you don't need welfare - you wouldn't be starving.
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Originally Posted by AmeliaG
I'm not embarrassed to piss in a cup for a lab test my doctor and I agree I need. I'm not embarrassed to get a physical. I think there is an element of subjugation and domination, however, in a government requiring access to such personal information.
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When you're on welfare, they have access to your bank accounts if you have one, they know where you work, how much you earn, the taxes you pay, all your bills, dl, ss card, etc.. anytime you get insurance you get a physical already. A cup of piss, really isn't giving up much more info.
What they don't have access to is knowing if you're making cashing, injecting it up your own, and being a crack whore on the side while taking gov aid.
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We don't need to outlaw health insurance. Trying to regulate something that complex is going to be pretty impossible, with so much money from that industry going into politicians' coffers, and laymen having such a minimal understanding of the structure.
Just offer a decent alternative, as they do in Canada, and let the market take its course.
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That's an entirely different subject all together, one that doesn't help our Country at all.
Canada's system isn't much different than what we're getting. It's smaller and cheaper basically.