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Old 10-07-2010, 01:39 PM  
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DWB: so in your second scenario what is the downside to you?the upside I would think is that you didn't have to send DMCAs at a minimum. All the other scenarios would be the tube operators concern and I'm sure many would adapt as they saw fit.
Regarding the tracking and removal, I think it's brilliant. It's the monetization I don't have much faith in at the moment. I base this on what myself as a surfer likes, and a blind link to anything will have be going back or closing a page down very quick. That is what I see as the downside. I don't think, and I may be totally wrong, that many eyes are actually going to see what is used as a replacement video, whatever that new video may be.

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DWB, if $450 USD a month is not worth it for you to nolonger have to police your 10 newest videos on 16 of the biggest tubesites, then what would ever be?
Right now it is $450 for 10 videos, across 9 tubes, and you own most of those. We're not even to 16 yet. Even then, while I do agree that tubes were the beginning of the problem, and I wish the illegal tube owners would die and suck cock in hell along with their mothers, I also know that the real piracy TODAY is happening elsewhere.

With the help of some software I already have and Google Alerts, I can handle 9 or 16 tubes on my own with little effort at all. Takes 10 mins a day for that little. It is not worth $450 to me for such little policing. Now, get up to 16 tubes AND add 16 torrents AND 16 file sharing sites AND 16 surfer boards, and you have yourself a great deal. But 9 - 16 tubes, I just don't see the value because that much is very, very simple to police once you've done the hard part of getting all of it removed once. Upkeep is easy, even if frustrating when the same videos keep going right back up.

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EVERYONE here complains how all the tubes steal their content and cause them to make less money, if $450 USD a month is too much, how much less money are you making because of the tubes stealing content?
Like I said, tubes and torrents started it, but tubes are manageable now. I can DMCA the shit out of a handful of tubes quickly, but file sharing... that takes a while. Search the board, find the links, find what pages they link to, then DMCA. THAT is time consuming. Tubes are not, once you have a system together.

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Or are you now saying you are making less money simply because the tubes exist?
Tubes, torrents, file sharing, surfer boards, porn saturation, bad economy, stopped making DVDs... lots of reasons for a drop in my income. I do not blame one over the other, but blame them all collectively, including myself for not doing something about it when piracy started to happen.

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Originally Posted by Nathan View Post
$450 USD is basically 10 sales a month or 1 sale every 3 days. Are you losing less sales than that because of the tubes in your opinion thus its not worth it? I am trying to figure out where the problem specifically is.
I just don't see the value in 10 videos scanned across 16 tubes (9 currently). This is new for you as well, and long term neither of us know what is going to work or not. Only scanning 10 of your latest updates may or may not work. As a porn surfer myself, I don't care if a video was just updated or is 20 years old, so long as it fits my fantasy at the moment. I hope covering 10 updates works for you, I'm just doubtful it will. You have a cock (I think) and if you actually masturbate you should know that it just doesn't matter when something was released, to get you off. Maybe the hard core "porn star" fans will care, but I've never been into that so I can't say.

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I understand that it pisses people off, but me closing our tubes would not a) make anyone more money and b) lower the amount of work DMCA wise you have to accomplish. It will simply shift our traffic to tubes and other sites which are much harder to deal with than we obviously are.
I can't expect you guys to close your tubes. Wouldn't ask. It is a HUGE traffic source now. However, what pisses people off is how it came to be. Lets face the facts, while you personally may not have had a hand in it, the company you bought was one of the largest pirate operations ever. Those tubes would not have the traffic it has today if it did not steal everyone else's videos, and yes, at least at one time, the company had staff uploading for it, just like that had a tube section of stolen videos in the members area. You say you're changing that, time will tell. I hope you do. But to come in AFTER the "deed" was done and act like it's all kittens and butterflies, insults a lot of people and pisses them off.

Honestly, you bought what was at one time, a literal criminal enterprise, who screwed over just about every studio and producer in the industry. The company became a GIANT due to ripping everyone off, now you walk in and say it's over and lets all get along and make money together? THAT is what pisses people off. Sending DMCA's are just a hassle, but one we can live with.

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I can not change the past, and blaming me for it does not help anyone either.
I'm not blaming you for anything that was done before. But it was done before and it did help to create the problem we all face now. To not acknowledge that is an insult to everyone in the business and is the fuel that continues to get poured on the fire.

If some gang raped my sister, then got a new gang leader who said it's all good now and we don't do that anymore, and that he didn't have anything to do with the old gang... that just doesn't work. HE IS STILL IN THE GANG!

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I think I have shown plenty of times by now that I am willing to work with everyone and I am by far the least of your problems piracy wise. You should actually prefer me controlling these tubes than most other big tube site owners out there.
I agree, tubes are not the biggest problem for piracy. No doubt about that. Not anymore. Hence my reservation about paying $450 to scan a handful of tubes for 10 videos. While I see illegal tubes as a problem, I no longer view them as a large problem. That time has come and gone. I can manage the biggest ones now with little effort.
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