Originally Posted by u-Bob

First of all, government doesn't produce anything. Because it doesn't produce anything, it can't sell anything. because it can't sell anything, it has no income. Because it has no income, it has no money to spend. But wait, government does spend money... how does that work? Simple. The government takes out a loan and forces the population it exerts control over to pay back that loan (with interest).

Want to talk about schooling? Ask an American to find his own country on a blind map. Or ask English, Dutch, Belgian, French,... parents why they are camping outside of schools. Government planning...


So you are saying, that the only reason YOU are not robbing people right now is because the state exists? If the state didn't exist, would you rob people? Personally, I'd never rob someone. Like i said, I don't commit murder and I don't steal. Those are things I'll never do simply because I believe in justice and liberty. So that's one human being that wouldn't be robbing other people. Would you rob other people? No? ok, now there's 2 people who wouldn't rob other people. What about all other human beings on this planet? Do you think they are all evil and would all rob each other? Like I said earlier in this thread, there are bad people. Some people will commit acts of aggression. But you have the right to defend yourself against them. You have the right to use violence to defend yourself. You have the right to form an organization to protect yourself and the others who are part of your organization. You have the right to buy protection from companies that offer protection services. etc But not all people are bad.

Do you believe all people are bad?
3 possibilities:
1. All people are good. obviously, that is not an answer you'd give, based on your previous comments.
2. Some people are good, some people are bad. Personally, I believe this is the case. Now if this is the case, than the last thing you'd want is a government. Because a government is an artificial position of power and if there are good people and bad people (people who prey on all others) than bad people will do whatever they can to use/abuse/gain control over that position of power.
3. All people are bad. If all people are bad than the people who make up the government are also bad so the chances that those bad people will use their power to do good are very slim.



As long as there are people there will be disagreements. We are all individuals, we are all unique, we all have our own ideas. So obviously there will be disagreements. But using force/violence/aggression to force your ideas of what is good onto others is never acceptable.