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Originally Posted by Seth Manson
Minicivan, - LOL -, Zyber, Maxi, Stocktrader23 = A band of idiots.
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It is always easy to simply group people together.
If you look at my reply you will see that I am against fighting illegal wars, and
against preventing the leaders from being held accountable for their crimes.
E.g. none of the highest ranking persons who ordered the systematic use of torture on civilians, who lied to their national Parliament/Congress, built Guantanamo-bases around the globe, have faced justice.
Examples? To date George W. Bush, Tony Blair, Anders Fogh Rasmussen etc are all free men. They all lied to their respective nations, well-knowing WMDs did not exist. Try making a civilian's arrest on them, and quickly you will be stopped by their armed goons. Those, sorry to say, fools think they protect their flag and country by shielding the criminals who give them their monthly paycheck.
Some wars deserved respect. For example the liberation of Europe in 1945.
But going to Iraq to steal their oil has no justification.
First we were all told that there was a connection with 9/11 and Al Qaeda. There was no connection.
Then they changed the reason that Iraq was a direct threat to the security of the West, because they should have the infamous Weapons of Mass Destruction. These WMDs did not exist.
But what does exist, is the connection with Bush, Cheney and the oil industry.
Please take the time to read the
Downing Street Memo and you will find out that Bush wanted the war on Iraq no matter what - he would invent the excuse later.
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The Foreign Secretary said he would discuss this with Colin Powell this week. It seemed clear that Bush had made up his mind to take military action, even if the timing was not yet decided. But the case was thin. Saddam was not threatening his neighbours, and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran. We should work up a plan for an ultimatum to Saddam to allow back in the UN weapons inspectors. This would also help with the legal justification for the use of force.
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Source:
http://downingstreetmemo.com/
Those wars were purely for profit, and nothing but crimes against humanity.
It is estimated that between 100.000 and 1.000.000 civilians have been killed due to the invasion from our countries. Why the systematic use of torture on soldiers and civilians? All our countries have signed Human Rights agreements not to use such techniques. Geneva Convention?
Honour is to defend your country. To defend your Constitution. To defend your (valid) Laws and Rights. Honour is to protect your country's name from being abused by corrupt politicians. Honour is to catch these crooks and let them face justice. Not to protect them, and point your guns at those people, who point out that your boss is actually the criminal.
So who is the band of idiots?
Being young, naive and easily manipulated is excusable, but demanding respect for having made those mistakes in the past is crossing the line a bit?