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Originally Posted by stocktrader23
Have you been up all night or something? First, if you have more transactions one chargeback is a lower percentage overall. Second, only ONE company would be doing the billing for everyone. I'll tell you a couple of companies that are doing similar. Paypal and Facebook.
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It's 'was' early AM on a Sat, I just got up...
CB's is based on doing over 100 cb's in a month/range, then a mixture of transactions and mostly money calculates the cb ratio. Micro billing will easily put an adult site over 100 cb's a month, putting everything they do under the radar.
A gateway could set this up with each persons unique merchant account, a 3rd party isn't going to be allowed to fund accounts and neither would the site owner. Nobody is going to be authorized to setup an adult high risk merchant account like PP/FB does where they become a 3rd party biller.
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Did you get in a time machine and go back to 1996 on me? YouTube plays all videos in FLASH. YouTube supports HD as well as uploads from multiple formats on the fly. This is not new technology and it takes virtually no support to 'handle it'.
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Yeah I know how the Internet works, and I also know adult companies aren't going to sit and wait for dvd's and full scenes to upload, not by the 100's and damn sure not by the 1000's - and edit them, titles, write-ups, box cover, screenshots, etc. Then the real content load, for sure isn't from 'online' it's from dvd porn companies that have 1000's of full DVD's - and only have them on DVD.
Either way, this isn't Youtube and MILLIONS of people uploading content.
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Now I just think you're pulling my leg. I mean, there's no possible way you're serious. I'm not even going to respond further to someone assuming hundreds of millions of page views and an active comment system with hundreds of thousands of users is easier to manage than an automated payment / delivery gateway to already produced content.
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Yes, far easier... just the level of protection of data alone would cost more than anything reddit has ever required, hell reddit is a site that can probably be loaded into ram completely and never served from a hd, it's micro in comparison.
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No, it's similar to a Tube but filled with whatever content OWNERS upload. If they are too stupid to upload a video worth $1 or $2 then they don't need to be uploading anything.
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If an adult site had the traffic of Youtube, sure 1-2 bucks might be worth it.
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That is because they want to support affiliates. As you can see from the Tube sites, lower prices do in fact mean more customers. For realistic examples see Facebook games, iTunes, Amazon digital music, RedBox, iPhone applications, Android applications, cheap digital products, and a shitload of other things I am forgetting. These are the companies thriving while the old dogs that think it takes 10 people to manage such a simple system are dying off.
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Every one of the companies you listed, have 100's if not 1000's of employees...
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I didn't say anything about sending porn through the mail. You do know that NetFlix has an unbelievably popular STREAMING service right? You do know it includes THOUSANDS of movies that cost a whole fuckload more than some shit sex scene to produce right? You do know it costs a whopping $7.99 per month right?
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Videobox kills anything NetFlix has streaming/player wise and they have a massive collection of videos.... No mater what, they will never be as big. You're trying to compare mainstream movies vs. porn, just nothing to compare here - the market size is just beyond comparing.
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Yes, obviously $30 has less chargebacks and refunds than $20 on the same content. Even if you have data showing more chargebacks on lower cost shit that just couldn't possibly be because it was priced cheaper thanks to it sucking huh?
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A $30 vs. $20 sale, has almost no differences in cb's/refunds and if it did, it would be .1-.2% difference, extremely minor if any change.
And with a $10 increase on every sale/rebill, the sale income jump is almost instantly noticeable when you increase a paysites prices from $20 to $30 a month.
11 joins a day, over 90 days, it's a $10,000 income difference, before rebills.
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No shit, that's on your worn out ass business model of billing $30 for shit I and anyone else in the world can get for free.
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It's not the billing model that keeps them from buying... plenty of people doing $30 recurring memberships still killing it and having no problems selling the hell out it.
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I remember this horseshit micropayment stuff you are talking about from years ago. Grandma Jones that had 5 naked pictures of herself charged surfers $0.25 to look at them. No shit it failed, it was implemented like total crap and is nothing like what I'm suggesting.
And airline vouchers? What does that decades old scam have to do with porn?
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I've seen people use videos, dvd's, pictures, magazines, rights to burn, rights to own from cheap to expensive.
Pennies to airline vouchers was an example of ways people tried to get micro billing to work in adult and even pre-load accounts, which was first done through Epass and used as a method to counter balance cb's through pre-loaded methods.... which failed with adult surfers.
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See, this is why I think you need some sleep. That $1 micro site would be THE SAME FUCKING SITES THAT ARE ONLINE NOW. They would operate exactly like they operate now. They would just have a new entry point to pick up new sales managed by a single entity. I explained this pretty clearly so up to this point. Sure micropayments would open the doors for some alternate shit but that has nothing to do with what you just said. Affiliate payouts for all microniche purchases would be handled by the gateway company.
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Paysites shouldn't change what they're doing, they should add in more mediums so they sell wider. If this was to work, it would be something to add to the pool, not change totally what they are doing.
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It would be impossible for you to be any more wrong.
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Other than I know what it actually costs to run an porn company that produces new content, covers multiple mediums, sites, staff, bandwidth, servers, security, etc and do it at a volume.... and I know what it costs lots of companies today.
A site doing 20 sales a day, with rebills will make roughly $30k a month. PPS or revshare, roughly half the money goes to affiliates, so $15k. Before the costs of host, before weekly updates, shooting/production, paying models, staff and paying yourself.
20 sales a day is roughly the 'break even point' for a non-self shot site, so one paying for actual production costs, affiliates, etc. Many of the bigger programs completely quit shooting sites once they drop below 30 sales daily... it's simply not profitable anymore.
Some math... $30k, $30 a sale, 1000 sales (before rebills) VS. 15k-30,000 single sales. If the site over that 90 days got 1 million hits to produce 1000 sales, they did 1:1000. To get to 15k sales they would convert 1:66 and 30k is 1:33 for 90 days straight. <-- Remember, that's less than the break even point.