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Originally Posted by wig
Theism has miracles as part of their core claims. Take the miracle of healing through prayer. There have been large, controlled studies on this that do not support this claim.
Is it therefore "faith" to doubt that the claim is true?
Atheism is a belief claim, unlike agnosticism which is claim about epistemology. That does not mean that there is not such thing as justified beliefs based on the evidence or lack thereof.
Proofs are reserved for mathematics and logic, not science. We "believe" evolution is true because of the evidence, but it may not turn out to be true. It only takes finding a rabbit fossil in the precambrian.
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Evolution proves that Christian belief is wrong. Studies have proven that prayer is wrong. All any of this proves is that people's beliefs are wrong. It proves nothing about there being a supreme entity or power existing one way or the other. When there is no physical proof either way, you can justify your beliefs in whatever way you'd like.
Your point about agnosticism and atheism is spot on, and just goes to further my point. Agnosticism differentiates between beliefs and knowledge, and stands uncommitted to taking sides when their is no true knowledge. Questioning our ability to truly know, seems like a much more logical road to take than standing on either side of a dead end argument, beating the same dead horse, and while arguing over some shit we just cannot and do not understand.
Back to my first point, evolution does not work against atheists in anyway, and who cares? Either side could be right. I tend to side with atheists, but I don't instantly believe it is the absolute correct belief. What I KNOW, is that it is a belief, and I'll leave it at that. I'm not going to cling to it, and regard it as fact like atheists do.