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Originally Posted by Paul Markham
This thread is very confusing.
On one hand I have people telling me DVD content doesn't sell on the Internet or the other way around. When in truth the style of DVD or video before DVD was used are as wide as what's on the Adult Internet. And today sites buy DVD content to put on their sites.
Then people are telling us that the DVD industry and magazine industry is in steep decline. So the buyers of the very diverse DVD and magazine market came to the Internet. Because Playboy wasn't their thing and Amateur was? But then why did Amateur DVDs sell so poorly?
Then someone's telling me it's all about "amateur or reality based entertainment". Well amateur and reality wasn't "born" on the Internet. It was born when cameras went from film to video. Fucking a girl in a van wasn't born on the Internet either. It was done long before the Internet.
But on the other hand Nathan is telling us he spends as much as Vivid on a scene. To produce "amateur or reality based entertainment"? Or better quality which doesn't sell on the Internet? 
Then Robbie tells us he produced 1 DVD of 5-6 scenes and it being uploaded to Torrents cost him more in online joins than the $25,000 he made from it. But it was only 5-6 scenes. Is that all it takes to satisfy a porn consumers desire of CM. So doesn't his site retain or didn't retain before it got locked down. And how do his members feel about buying so much content when 5-6 scenes are enough?
Then Nathan tells us his Tube sites make very little money. Maybe he's telling the truth. Maybe people who go to Tube sites stop spending like they used to. Maybe traffic to Brazzers from his Tubes suck.
Everyone else tells us Tubes are decimating the industry. Have Tubes turned 1,000s of buyers into free surfers? Or is Nathan lying? |
Paul,
I will tell you my POV...
Original DVD content does not sell on the internet. (Not the other way around! noone ever said that!) This has very little to do with the content being amateur or not. This has to do with how content is shot for DVD, how long it usually is, and how many options you have selling it online. This is not a GENERAL thing, but usually is the case. GONZO DVDs produced for DVD first, might just as well sell relatively easily online, if they know how, but then most do not know how.
Full feature DVDs is mainly what I mean btw... should likely have detailed that
The reason the magazine market is in a decline is obvious, people want videos. The reason why DVDs are in a decline is also obvious, people want to buy the stuff from the comfort of their home. I know quite a few online DVD stores that are still working quite well btw... since they found a mix of the two.
I disagree, as you I think, with the amateur/reality aspect. This is not everything... its one niche, and thats all it is. It might be a big one, but thats it... What exactly Amateur is btw, is very debatable in my opinion. For me amateur is what home grown does... not bang bus, or similar sites. That simply is reality with hookers. (Although also that is a well working niche! And it is not called reality since its real, obviously.. its called reality because it could be perceived as real, in contrast to some pornstar full feature like Pirates.)
Regarding your comment about me saying we spend as much as vivid (per scene, we spend much more than vivid in total), again you are mixing up two posts. I did not say amateur is the only thing that sells. We spend as much as (if not more than) vivid on for example Brazzers content. (And yes, I will get you a login, always like other people's opinion, send me an eMail again to make sure I have your email address to send it to.) Which we can sell very well online since we know how to, but its not a 2 hour full feature film, its 40 minute scenes, longer and they become useless online (cost/value wise). We DO however sell those scenes on DVD collections also. And that quite well. We also sell it on TV.
Your comment to Robbie, I agree with.. I doubt its true. If he is REALLY good at what he does, he will be making 50 joins a day with that site, and I actually doubt that... So in order to lose that much money just because of releasing one DVD, he would need to have lost 1000 joins from it, which is never going to happen... I actually doubt he made 25k on the DVD either though...
I also never said that our Tubes make little money.. I said they did not make the company big (ie are not a major part, they are around 20%), and I said they do not make a lot of money through H&B and Dating! Do not twist my words ;)
Regarding your last comment... of course everyone thinks the tube destroyed it all, its the only way they can think... There are THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of people that join paysites every single day. Millions a month. Considering the tube sites make people nolonger buy porn.. maybe you should look at the size of tube sites again... If they would hurt so much, we would not have had a single join in the last 12 months...
That's my opinion... to each their own of course...