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Originally Posted by Nathan
Paul,
I will tell you my POV...
Original DVD content does not sell on the internet. (Not the other way around! noone ever said that!) This has very little to do with the content being amateur or not. This has to do with how content is shot for DVD, how long it usually is, and how many options you have selling it online. This is not a GENERAL thing, but usually is the case. GONZO DVDs produced for DVD first, might just as well sell relatively easily online, if they know how, but then most do not know how.
Full feature DVDs is mainly what I mean btw... should likely have detailed that
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OK So let's say the Vivid, Wicked end of the market didn't sell well on the Internet, because they didn't know how to market it on the Internet. Why didn't one of the Gurus who knew so much about Internet marketing go to them and make a deal?
Missed opportunity there. Splitting a feature into scenes works.
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The reason the magazine market is in a decline is obvious, people want videos. The reason why DVDs are in a decline is also obvious, people want to buy the stuff from the comfort of their home. I know quite a few online DVD stores that are still working quite well btw... since they found a mix of the two.
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The reason magazines declined was because there were millions of images being given away for free on the Internet. Comfort of a home buy is a great incentive. If you don't make it easier to get it for free than it is to pay. Free is more comfortable than paid these days.
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Regarding your comment about me saying we spend as much as vivid (per scene, we spend much more than vivid in total), again you are mixing up two posts. I did not say amateur is the only thing that sells. We spend as much as (if not more than) vivid on for example Brazzers content. (And yes, I will get you a login, always like other people's opinion, send me an eMail again to make sure I have your email address to send it to.) Which we can sell very well online since we know how to, but its not a 2 hour full feature film, its 40 minute scenes, longer and they become useless online (cost/value wise). We DO however sell those scenes on DVD collections also. And that quite well. We also sell it on TV.
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Good maximising the value of content is something most sites totally missed. Some didn't understand they could of paid for their members area with sales offline.
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Your comment to Robbie, I agree with.. I doubt its true. If he is REALLY good at what he does, he will be making 50 joins a day with that site, and I actually doubt that... So in order to lose that much money just because of releasing one DVD, he would need to have lost 1000 joins from it, which is never going to happen... I actually doubt he made 25k on the DVD either though...
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Robbie has no clue how many joins he lost and was just spouting. Looking at the samples on his site he might of made $25,000 on a single DVD sold world wide. If he had a clue about how that market worked the distributor would of told him the sales would soon double as shops realised it was a good seller.
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Regarding your last comment... of course everyone thinks the tube destroyed it all, its the only way they can think... There are THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of people that join paysites every single day. Millions a month. Considering the tube sites make people nolonger buy porn.. maybe you should look at the size of tube sites again... If they would hurt so much, we would not have had a single join in the last 12 months...
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Giving away the product an industry produces is bad long term business. IMO it works well while buyers from the old style come over and continue to buy. But slowly the buyer learns it's foolish to buy porn when so much is available for free. A few got rich in the boom years. They didn't last long.
The model of building sites on a low quality product then spending a fortune on sending traffic that increasing got harder to sell to, in that ratios over the years got worse and worse and only supported by more and more traffic coming onto the Internet. Because more and more people got dis-satisfied with buying. Average ratios went from around 1-250 to 1-2500 and the only thing that covered this drop was the actual number of surfers on the Adult net increased 10 fold or more. Now that traffic has leveled off and a lot of new traffic simply isn't buying, cultural or economic, the hurt is being felt. The traditional loyal buyer has been put off.
That's my opinion... as well....... to each their own of course...
