Originally Posted by Bill8

sorry, I don't understand - what did I miss?

Originally Posted by Bill8

You need to be more suspicious of everything you read about global warming in the conventional media.

The media isn't trying to explain the actual models, it's looking for "cartoons" of the competing global warming theories to get people to look at advertisements with controversy and attention grabbing headlines.

So, if one scientist says something offhand, and in this case with no time reference (did the scientist mean ten years, or, as seems equally likely, a hundred years?), the media has a profit motive to distort whatever is said into a sensationalistic headline.

If there is a "global warming industry", it's profit model is based on advertising, because it is pushed by the media.

You need to look at the actual science publications to get any real information on this subject.

Media links just tell us what the media, with a profit motive, wants us to think - and they will happily play both sides of the street, and happily distort the science, if it plays on peoples fears and prejudices and brings eyeballs to advertisements.

It's foolish to trust the media on anything.

Originally Posted by dyna mo

actually, this scenario doesn't take into account the fact that scientists lied about global warming.

Originally Posted by Nathan

Nobody lied about global warming... Bill8 explained it basically...

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i was not aware that climategate had been recently exposed as a manipulation of the facts and i simply stated that the explanation given didn't take climategate into account.

Originally Posted by Bill8

I suspect you have no idea wether or not individual scientists or scientists in groups have actually lied.

I'd be happy to dissect any examples of individual or group lies. What examples did you have in mind?

The internal peer review system of science culture is very harsh on scientists that lie. If you actually know any possible lies, it might be interesting to see what the science community did about it.

But, I think you have no idea wether or not there have been lies, and that you are just repeating something you've been told to repeat by the corporate media or someone influenced by the media.

If, however, we find examples of actual lies by actual scientists, it wouldn't be a definitive argument against the much much larger body of research, measurements, and models. It's just a reminder that scientists are human beings and people sometimes lie and cheat.

Which is always good to keep in mind.