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Bill8 · 12-30-2010, 09:34 PM

okay, I have a little extra time tonight.

do we want to talk professor Latif?

or climategate?

or something else - put any topic on the table and we can discuss it.

professor Latif is an interesting case. at first I didn't recognize the name because most of the furor regarding his prediction happened over a year ago, and he isn't commonly mentioned these days. but after a few minutes of google I recognized the guy. I'll try to summarise his story.

he's an expert on very long oscillations, called "multidecadal ocsillations or currents", because they take multiple decades to complete. you have these things in the deep ocean and in the upper atmosphere.

his prediction was that the deep ocean multidecadal current was speeding up, which means that the ocean is turning over faster, sucking heat down into the deep ocean. he's not sure why it seems to be speeding up, but theorizes the extra heat is making the giant convection loop of the ocean run faster. but because it runs faster, it could suck heat out of the atmosphere, causing a 20 to 30 year long period of cooler temperatures as the ocean absorbs heat faster.

sounds good right - the ocean sucks up the extra heat.

but, he adds, and this is the part that is left out of the media, after that 20-30 years the current stabilizes in his models and suddenly the atmosphere gets even hotter even faster.

so, according to his theory, global warming is not stopped, unlike what the anti-global-warming media implies - it's just that we can expect a period when it doesn't proceed as fast.

thing is, as far as I can tell, nobody else seems to strongly agree with his theory. he might be right, but nobody is publishing papers with new information supporting the idea.

now for the editorial.

this information about professor Latif's theory is presented by the murdoch media empire and it's followers, and all the astroturfers and think tanks, in a carefully cherry picked and edited form. They IMPLY that Latif has said that global warming isn't happening, when he's not saying that at all. then they have people post and repost partial information like this, to try to game the public debate, and to intentionally or ignorantly muddy the water with false information.

this is typical blackarts rhetoric, the intentional spreading of partial and complete lies and distorted information.

12-30-2010, 09:34 PM
Bill8 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,901	okay, I have a little extra time tonight. do we want to talk professor Latif? or climategate? or something else - put any topic on the table and we can discuss it. professor Latif is an interesting case. at first I didn't recognize the name because most of the furor regarding his prediction happened over a year ago, and he isn't commonly mentioned these days. but after a few minutes of google I recognized the guy. I'll try to summarise his story. he's an expert on very long oscillations, called "multidecadal ocsillations or currents", because they take multiple decades to complete. you have these things in the deep ocean and in the upper atmosphere. his prediction was that the deep ocean multidecadal current was speeding up, which means that the ocean is turning over faster, sucking heat down into the deep ocean. he's not sure why it seems to be speeding up, but theorizes the extra heat is making the giant convection loop of the ocean run faster. but because it runs faster, it could suck heat out of the atmosphere, causing a 20 to 30 year long period of cooler temperatures as the ocean absorbs heat faster. sounds good right - the ocean sucks up the extra heat. but, he adds, and this is the part that is left out of the media, after that 20-30 years the current stabilizes in his models and suddenly the atmosphere gets even hotter even faster. so, according to his theory, global warming is not stopped, unlike what the anti-global-warming media implies - it's just that we can expect a period when it doesn't proceed as fast. thing is, as far as I can tell, nobody else seems to strongly agree with his theory. he might be right, but nobody is publishing papers with new information supporting the idea. now for the editorial. this information about professor Latif's theory is presented by the murdoch media empire and it's followers, and all the astroturfers and think tanks, in a carefully cherry picked and edited form. They IMPLY that Latif has said that global warming isn't happening, when he's not saying that at all. then they have people post and repost partial information like this, to try to game the public debate, and to intentionally or ignorantly muddy the water with false information. this is typical blackarts rhetoric, the intentional spreading of partial and complete lies and distorted information.