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Originally Posted by SimonScans
Follow a few links and read some papers and you'll see how much of climate science relies on statistics mangling existing data and not actual fresh data gathering.
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And as ever, I come back to this; record cold events all over the planet this year - but its the hottest year ever. not just a bit hot, but HOTTEST. Something seems a little off here...
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I'm trying to extract from this an argument that you are making that I can respond to and follow with argument of my own, and not getting any sense that you yourself are presenting an argument that I can respond to.
I don't particularly care about the hockey stick, as far as I'm concerned dendrochronology is weak science, and I never refer to the hockey stick as a credible measurement, so I can't argue for the validity of the hockey stick as a visual representation of measurements.
As a set of measurements, the hockey stick has yet to be fully confirmed or refuted in the science literature, as far as I know. I await further peer review, but personally don't think dendrochronology is reliable.
The hockey stick graph has been used politically, but I'm not terribly interested in what politicians do, they are all corrupt. Altho, I think they were wrong to use it.
Science by definition is never settled, thats not how science works, so you'll never hear me argue that the science is "settled". The most that can be said is that anthropogenic global warming deniers are still very much in the minority, in terms of published papers.
If there was some particular thing that you personally wanted to debate?
I strongly agree that we need transparent fresh data gathering, and I strongly urge you to urge your side to spend the money to gather new measurements, and to make those measurements available transparently! I will on my part urge my side to do the same. In the strongest possible way.
Your last sentence doesn't make sense to me. If you have record cold, and you have record heat, and you average the data, and the data says it was a bit more hot than it was cold, thats what the data says, and your saying something seems off doesn't affect the math.
You will say "I don't trust the measurements". Okay, so get your side to analyze the measuring protocols and set up new measuring stations around the planet and test the measurements.
Because that's how science works. Your side has tons of money, you have the oil corporations behind you, spend some of it, and take new measurements, dont just bitch about it.