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Originally Posted by dgraves
interesting point! so i take it all gloryhole content is not really anonymous?
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How many girls really go to gloryholes to anonymously suck and fuck cocks? I think it is reasonable to assume that the gloryhole girls are paid actresses and are engage in sexual acts for the explicit purposes of making pornography...and that is what triggers the 2257 reporting and need for model release.
If you so happen to catch a gal in an adult arcade who is there to have fun and does not mind you taping her then you are free from the reporting since what you are shooting is a documentary. Again, it would be the responsibility and liability of the adult bookstore/arcade owner to check ID's.
Law is always about the Intent (the mindset) of the persons who engage in an action. Pornography is then:
"Pornography is the portrayal of erotic behavior designed to cause sexual excitement. It is words, acts, or representations that are calculated to stimulate sex feelings independent of the presence of another loved and chosen human being. It is divorced from reality in its sole purpose to stimulate erotic response. It is preoccupied with and concentrates on sex organs for the purpose of sexual stimulation. It emphasizes them and focuses on them in varying ways calculated to incite sexual desire.
Art and pornography are distinguished as follows: True art conveys a thought, a speculation, or a perception about the human condition. Pornography is the pictures of sex organs and their usage devoid of all other meaning-the personality having no place. They bear in upon one a sense of increasing ugliness and degradation of the human being."
City of Youngstown v. DeLoreto (USA, 1969)
Now if you where invited to a Sex Party where you where to Document what happened, then you would be filming a documentary, and that is not pornography at all. So the guys who film girls going down on each other at a strip club are documenting, not making pornography. Though it is how you film the scene too. If you focus only on the sex organs, then it is pornography where as if you focus on the scene as a whole and explore more than just the sex then it is a documentary.
Adult films vs pornography is also a good discussion. Is a films like "this ain't the Brades" an artistic adult film or is it pornography? It has a storyline, it is not just images of pictures of sex devoid of all other meaning, and it is not ugly or degrading since we know the purpose and the scene that the sex takes place in. However, the sex scenes if just cut from the film to stand alone would be pornography.
In my mind there is far more value in art than there is pornography, but art is a lot of work and it take far more resources to achieve whereas porn is cheap.
Thanks for the interesting discussion.
