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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
But are they making a profit?
I know in 2009 they were losing almost a 1/2 billion dollars that year. 2010 looked like they *may* turn a small profit but I never saw anything else about it.
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They were not but it is a different model, it always makes me laugh how people compare mainstream to porn biz like if they worked the same way ....
An affiliate manager of one of this top paysite network that owns many of the tops tubes always use two examples, the youtube one, and the mcdonalds one .... probably many received the same examples ....
If someone gave me a "McDonalds for free, i wouldn't reject it, even when its oversaturated" he claims when someone talks about oversaturated content, off course i wouldn't except if i had infront of my McDonalds a burguer king giving out burguers for free .... Almost no one would come and buy me a McDonalds burguer, and i would have to had a big budget for employees, keeping McDonalds strict standards, etc .... I couldn't afford ir when Burguer is infront and getting paid by saying another trademarks name from another piece of the market, lets say: "Here you have your free burguer, remember you can easily lost each calory you just earned by easily taking one of X pills ...." each time they give a burguer for free ( Sounds similar to something we are talking about right? ).
Then he talks about YouTube to justify their tubes network, the thing is:
1. YouTube REALLY HAS MOST OF ITS CONTENT UPLOADED.
2. THEY REALLY MAKE A HUGE EFFORT TO AVOID INFRINGEMENTS.
3. They are not giving out for free on one side of the table the very same thing they are trying to sell on the other one .... And still, they should be liable to lawsuits if they stream for free my fucking content that it took me a lot of time and money developing.
So i guess copyright infringements still apply, again a lawyer should step in here, and about unfair competition, well, i think they invented the term, so i guess there was not someone selling the same service already? Actually they couldn't if you think so .... Thats why the big tubes are illegal or are cutting deals, if they could be legit, they would ....
The little thing here is that they can't unfairly start giving out for free porn movies when playboy, hustler, vivid, pinkvisual, bangbros, etc, a whole market is investing big bucks on developing good content, like i can't step infront of my grousery and start giving out vegetables for free, like i can't put a burguer king infront of a mcdonalds and start giving out burguers for free, etc.
They are trying now to get legit, and many producers are lazy enough to sell them their content and making the path EASIER, STILL, that takes from their hands the copyright infringement, but they are still liable for unfair competition, and i don't think the YouTube example fits, i think any judge would see the easy difference ....
Its MORE like if iTunes suddenly started giving out free music, they have to settle deals with companies and just be a gateway to sell the music, they can't just give it for free, same applies for burguer king and mcdonalds, etc. Like walmart and carrefour. Now, if they can buy enough content, they could sell it very cheap and i guess both arguments would not be liable anymore, which i guess is where they will go if there are lazy producers selling their whole footages AND SOMEONE WOULD DO SOMETHING LEGALLY ABOUT THE UNFAIR COMPETITION!! WAKE UP BBO/RK/ETC.
But if they did this, honestly, i wouldn't care anymore, i mean, its legal, its legit, its even ethical, if they produce and can afford those costs with their pricing, it would mean they are doing things right enough to profit and still sell ...
There it would be a fair competition as i can in that case sell something with higher quality for more money for example .... Off course if they sold it that cheap, they would then be liable to monopoly stuff probably if they got whole share of the market ( Would be also interested to check this putting all together big tubes from same owner? ;P ), but well, this whole discussion would be ended and we would be already talking about a legit successfull model company .... The thing is that if they reached this point, is probably because in the middle a lot of lazy producers didn't sued them about their copyright infrigement at start, and then when starting to cut deals because they became huge using others work no one did anything about the unfair competition, which is HAPPENING NOW, so let it be .... Keep the eyes on the big picture producers, you are writing your own RIP message ;)
4. Its mainstream! Its a bussiness model where they don't have to necesarily make a profit to be rentable ...... As another user mentions about the huge looses it has been having in the last years ....
I'm still looking for replies, would please someone here that actually daily sends DMCAs to huge tubes tell us how many they sent the last week? where there big studios? what do they see? are they starting to have licensed content? do they steal big studios content? etc?