Originally Posted by TheDoc

As a trained fighter going against another fighter, put in that position, they probably couldn't get out of it - but again, that's not what we're talking about.

The topic twisted when I said my wife can't hold me in a chock hold or arm bar, and all of you went nuts.. and you said "once in the position a kid should be able to hold it no matter how strong the attacker is" - which is bullshit when my two boys can't move me if I don't want them to, let alone hold me, same goes for my wife.

Clearly, my wife and kids aren't trained... so trying to compare trained fighters, that we already know the out come of, is very pointless.