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Originally Posted by ~Ray
did pornsitenewbie get paid his $10,000 after waiting 6 months?
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No, much worse, he filed a lawsuit against me. That's right, you heard correctly, he sued me!!! For what you ask? For taking my business to a real company which makes money from the success of their customers instead of their failure. Yes, he sued me. Imagine Bernie Madoff suing the people he screwed for taking their money out, a real class act!!!
Of course to make it harder for me to defend, he sued me in Montreal (yes, read the fine print on your 7 page small print contract unless it's even longer now, you are agreeing to be bound by Canadian law). Anyway, my US lawyer referred me to a really good attorney in Montreal who not only took my case but charged one flat fee, no matter how long it took to litigate. Somehow, I don't think Mark's attorney gave him a similar deal on capped legal fees, and he must have felt my case was strong enough to win, because Mark called me shortly thereafter to offer a cash settlement. So you sue someone to offer him a cash settlement??? Interesting business practice, a first for me that's for sure! Yes, I'm getting some of my money back, but I'm never getting back the lost time.
I've been reading these posts, and all I can say is I am very disappointed it's business as usual for Mark. Nothing has changed. Yes will76, there comes a time when "you should have done your homework" doesn't cut it any more! When a business knowingly sets a trap for unwitting victims to fall into, they cross the line between business and fraud. That's why there are laws and consumer protection. The reasons 2Much adult cam site customers fail without exception are these:
1) The very basic modern SEO principles are ignored in his "software". His customers have no choice of how their website links appear. Here is Mark's own home page:
http://cam.livecamnetwork.com/cgi-bi...e_custmain.cgi. I'm no SEO guru, but tell me when was the last time you saw a URL like that after 1997? What's the point of SEO if none of the links will be picked up by he SE's?
2) The most live models on the entire MBase network at any given time are maybe 3 to 5 (see
http://cam.livecamnetwork.com/cgi-bi...e_custmain.cgi), with most of the time 0-2 models being live (1 of which would be from a shared studio in Romania).
3) There is no way to have models appear in different categories or multiple pages (pagination), a very basic feature. No search feature for models, no way for end users to change their passwords, no way to upload videos, no way for models to block their home city, and that's only what I remember from over 2 years ago. I bet none of that has changed since then, why bother if noobs keep coming and giving their money away?
4) He charges $35/month for "Automated Human Monitored Anti-Fraud Detection" to aggressively fight your fraud (
http://2much.net/fraud-detection.php). What does this mean? It means you have to call each one of your customers to verify their charge by phone! Not his staff, you as the client. That's what Mark told me when I had an unusually high month of chargebacks just like one of the recent posters here. In reality the chargebacks are customers realizing they have just signed up for a camsite with 1997 technology and no models on. Who wouldn't charge back?
5) When you leave Mark will recruit the very few models you have left by offering them a fixed salary to work on his site, so the odds of you starting another site get even lower since all of your few remaining models are now gone. So Mark identifies your best models, and then tries to get them on salary when you leave. Yes, this happened to me, see my earlier posts.
So even if you do all those things Mark described in his usual defensive post (which he must have templated by now, just needing to insert the accounting screenshots to make the latest noob look like a fool), your failure will be inevitable, and Mark knows this from the day he takes your first dollar. The deck is stacked, and Mark has all the aces. Yes, things like networking at trade shows, switching billing providers, advertising, link exchanges, etc., none of that matters, because LCN/2Much.net system will just stop you dead in your tracks, and make all that effort go to waste. By the time you realize that you've been had from day one, it's too late, and you're out a bunch of time and money. Does it matter to Mark? Not at all, because he makes money from all the exhorbitant fees he charges. Let's get real, 5GB data transfer per month for the default package (which is already priced way out of the ballpark based on today's hosting rates). Does anyone know of any cam site ever to make any money with 5GB of monthly bandwidth?
The only positive testimonial that I have ever seen from a real customer of 2Much was GonZo in this thread, but he did make a disclaimer in his praise of Mark "Not much of an update as Ive not done much work with my license." How sad indeed, I wonder how he would have felt if he actually used the LCN license?
Mark, you had all this time since I left to clean up your business by making the basic upgrades needed for anyone to even have a remote chance of succeeding in the cam biz, but you doing nothing just proves what your business model truly is...
For anyone who cares to know how my cam business is doing since I left Mark, let's just say this, income up 10,000%, expenses down 90% (no monthly hosting costs), chargebacks less than 1% per month consistently! Same domains, many many more models now because they do stay with a real site, much more traffic because SEO is being done right, and I am proud to see my site being as good as any out there with all the latest bells and whistles. What does all this prove? You tell me...
BTW, to make this easier for everyone who will undoubtedly follow my footsteps to Montreal court, here is my attorney's contact details:
Maurice Lasry
Tél: (514) 844-8631
www.lasrylegal.com
So when you get that lawsuit from Mark, don't panic, call Maurice Lasry, and he will charge you about 1 month worth of Mark's fees and surcharges to take your case to the end! If anyone wants to join in a single legal case, feel free to post here too, as Mr. Lasry will gladly give quantity discounts
