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Originally Posted by kane
Unless, of course, you have a woman with you. I went to Egypt several years ago and while most of the people were very friendly to us I think much of it was simply because we were tourist. However, I did spend a day out with just a cab driver and myself and did meet a lot of cool people who were nice to me.
That said there were two situations that stuck out in my mind. One afternoon we all went to a market. Our tour guide told us that women can't be alone. There were some women who were traveling without guys and the guide said they need to group up so they are with a man or they could have some problems.
The last night I was there a bunch of us went out to smoke the hookah pipe and celebrate the end of our vacation. It took us nearly an hour to find a hookah place that would allow women and they made us sit outside.
So you are welcome and part of the party, unless you have a vagina.
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Yes, damn them for wanting to protect women. In some places in the world the idea that American women are strutting around with their tits hanging out and their asses sticking out is disgusting. Do you think when Egyptian people come to America they ask the women to cover up? Of course not, they understand that in different places there are different cultures. Just like they don't agree with the way you guys treat women, it doesn't mean that you guys are doing it wrong and they are right. It's just two different ways of doing things.
The idea there isn't to keep the women from enjoying themselves, it's to keep them out of situations where they would be tempted to do bad things. It's either that, or enjoy the 50% divorce rate and the loss of any family structure like is happening in America. Men are treated the same way, and they are supposed to lower their gaze if a woman comes by that isn't their wife. It's just about keeping out of bad situations so that you don't even need to resist temptation, you just keep it away altogether.
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How do we Americans oppress them? We do help fund their government through various ways mostly through the purchase of oil, but it is their leadership that chooses to oppress us. Do you think the President of the US is telling the leaders of Saudi Arabia to treat its citizens like dogs?
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You guys just supported a dictator for 30 years in Egypt by funding him and supporting him even though it was widely known that his elections were fraudulent and he didn't allow any opposition. He wouldn't have been able to do it without the aid from the United States keeping him in power.
Then there's the ex-leader of Tunisia that you guys supported and funded, when you guys put a dictator into Iran, when you guys fund and support Israel. All ways that the US has helped oppress the Arab people.
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There has been nothing but unrest, violence and problems in that part of the world since the beginning of written history. Herodotus wrote about the unrest around 450 BC and it hasn't stopped. It seems to me like the Arab states mostly hate each other, but they all agree to hate Israel, but if Israel ceased to exist tomorrow they would go right back to fighting each other.
That part of the world has known nothing but blood in the sand since the beginning of time. I'm not saying they a warmongers, but I don't think they are as peaceful as you might think.
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And that draws a stark contrast to what part of the world that has been peaceful? The whole world has been 'nothing but unrest, violence and problems' since the beginning of written history. To say that because throughout history England was always involved in wars means that now the British couldn't be civilized and live in peace would be ridiculous. Why are Arabs any different than the British?
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In the end this is true. A lot of middle eastern people that I have known in my life just want to be happy. They want to live their lives, raise their families and be successful.
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