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Originally Posted by moeloubani
Yes, damn them for wanting to protect women. In some places in the world the idea that American women are strutting around with their tits hanging out and their asses sticking out is disgusting. Do you think when Egyptian people come to America they ask the women to cover up? Of course not, they understand that in different places there are different cultures. Just like they don't agree with the way you guys treat women, it doesn't mean that you guys are doing it wrong and they are right. It's just two different ways of doing things.
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And what about the women in Saudi Arabia who got gang raped by several men. The men got a slap on the wrist and she got sent to jail and was sentenced to 90 lashes because she was out in public with a man who was not a relative. Is that keeping her safe and protecting her?
for that matter women in Saudi Arabia are banned for traveling alone. Again is this to protect them? Should they not be able to go to the store and do the family shopping without a chaperon?
I'm not saying that the US is perfect in treatment of women, but take some time to look up the human rights violations that occur against women en mass in the middle east.You are choosing to look at it through rose colored glasses.
If a man taking a sticking and beating his wife like a dog because she didn't listen to him is simply a cultural difference than I guess I am an arrogant American because I think that is wrong. Forcing a woman to cover her entire body if she doesn't want to is wrong. not allowing women to be educated is wrong. These are basic human rights and they are violated every day in the middle east.[/QUOTE]
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The idea there isn't to keep the women from enjoying themselves, it's to keep them out of situations where they would be tempted to do bad things. It's either that, or enjoy the 50% divorce rate and the loss of any family structure like is happening in America. Men are treated the same way, and they are supposed to lower their gaze if a woman comes by that isn't their wife. It's just about keeping out of bad situations so that you don't even need to resist temptation, you just keep it away altogether.
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So a person is not allowed to think for themselves because they might find that the grass really is greener when they they get do what they want, not what they are told to do?
I understand religious and social customs, but should a person not be able to chose who they want to marry and how they want to live their lives? This is nothing more than the establishment and leadership simply oppressing the people and telling them how to live and deciding for them what will make them happy.
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You guys just supported a dictator for 30 years in Egypt by funding him and supporting him even though it was widely known that his elections were fraudulent and he didn't allow any opposition. He wouldn't have been able to do it without the aid from the United States keeping him in power.
Then there's the ex-leader of Tunisia that you guys supported and funded, when you guys put a dictator into Iran, when you guys fund and support Israel. All ways that the US has helped oppress the Arab people.
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I suppose we can argue this for a while, but it really will go nowhere. We may sometimes support dicators for the good of our country or our interests and I won't defend that act, we shouldn't be doing it. But I doubt we tell them to kill, rape, maim and imprison their people.
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And that draws a stark contrast to what part of the world that has been peaceful? The whole world has been 'nothing but unrest, violence and problems' since the beginning of written history. To say that because throughout history England was always involved in wars means that now the British couldn't be civilized and live in peace would be ridiculous. Why are Arabs any different than the British?
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They are not. You make my point for me. Your claim is that arabs are peaceful and want nothing more than to live in peace with the rest of the world. I simply pointed out that this is not the case and there has been unrest in that area forever. But as you say, there is unrest all around the globe. We humans are prone to this. We often solve our problems with violence and we are often intolerant of those who are not like us. The people of the middle east are no different.