Hi Shelly,
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Originally Posted by ShellyCrash
I can see Jasmine trying to get customers off LCN and signed up through LCCG to be a problem, but it's not as if these customers were being referred to something outside your network....Am I understanding that right?
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Yes for the most part you are right, but the problems that it created (and could have created) were big.
- The customers were acquired by each website via normal, "legal" promotional efforts as any other webmaster would. Had we let this go on, it would have ruined what we are trying to build.
- A couple of customers and at least one "whale", legally attracted by advertising to one of our customers websites, stopped spending money on the original site, and started spending it on LCCG instead. This resulted in losses to one website and "illegal" gains to LCCG. While it remained in our network isn't the point.
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Originally Posted by ShellyCrash
...and it also doesn't seem to be at Frottage's benefit to have them do this since he's coming out of pocket on these sign ups which he already could be earning commission on through LCN.
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That is exactly right. These customers were already spending money on his girls, via other sites.
The money flow looks like this :
Customer$ ===> Website X ===> LCCG ----> His Model.
What Frottage did was cut "website X out" so that the money flow worked like this instead:
Customer$ ====>LCCG ----> His Model.
He essentially tried to cut "affiliate" websites out of the picture, completely dismissing the value of their own traffic and the money, time and energy those site owners spent in attracting those customers in the first place.
(What is more than sad in this is that each customer he acquired cost his $20.00 each. He could have got the same results from Google Adwords and EroAdvertising for a much lower CPA, and done so without causing so many problems. )
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Originally Posted by ShellyCrash
It's not like multiple girls that work through Frottage were doing this, just one girl who seems to be wrought with issues. She's not trying to make Frottage more money, she's trying to make more money for herself.
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You are correct, except that:
- She is not the only model that was caught doing this
- Steve new it was going on, because he manually added funds to each new acquisition. The basic pitch to existing customers on existing websites was "Switch to LCCG and we'll give you $20.00 free!. The models reeled them in, and he funded the accounts.
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Originally Posted by ShellyCrash
It's a bummer business between the two of you didn't work out, but Mark- his original post wasn't that negative. I don't think dropping the chat logs were necessary or had your intended effect :2cents
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I will agree with you that this is a serious bummer. While his post wasn't that negative he knew full well what he did. Frottage's post was a continuation from 2 other forums which he has already been banned from. He is trying his best to drum up some kind of support without offering full disclosure.
Thanks for your comments, Shellee.
Mark