GoFuckYourself.com - Adult Webmaster Forum - View Single Post - Could porn of really survived the Internet?

OnanistsCash · 03-27-2011, 12:22 PM

Interesting thread, i always like this kind of threads ;) Hope Shap takes some time to write something, always loved his feedback on this market future views

Its also always funny to see Nathan answering on them LOL, not because he doesn't know what he is saying, he is probably one of the guys which better understands the field! If he is not the one who knows it best!

Its funny just because he "may be" one of the pilars "guilty" for what Paul is describing which he simply calls it a market change/adapting and for others, like me, its a sick non ethical way of doing business ( Which on the other hand from were i come from is very common so its not something i get amazed of, but lets say i thought serious guys here in the REAL porn industry didn't do that kind of stuff .... On the other hand I also must say in some sick way admire that "transformation" skills he claims on his signature, its funny how i would love to have a coffee with him like a sort of fan someday and ask him lots of things even when i think he may be responsable for the beggining of the end of our biz LOL )

Anyway, back to what Paul says, let me talk about myself personally and my experience, which is not much compared to many people involved on this thread, but i will start, maybe some may keep it going ... I'm basically new-school, i entered on the biz in 2005 because i saw there was a huge gap between people in charge of selling sites and people with the technical skills ....

I had always been out of the boards, honestly i never thought it was a place worth of spending time unless you need to get a job or promote something ( Right now about to launch a program so here i am ... )

I had been building sites and pushing third party programs since 2005 ( bbo, brazzers, etc ) and could afford to buy a nice house when i was 22 like a year after i got into the "biz". I remember even sending mail to brazzers asking them to promote them when they still didn't had an affiliate program and where promoting their own sites and i was told i was going to get contacted back when they launched the beta LOL

Anyway, back to the thread itself .... I remember Shap saying on another thread some time ago something like this: "Online porn today, like any other market, evolved and its not anymore a biz where any young guy from his garage can make 250k a year, today is a game of big companies ...."

I think that Shap comment pretty resumes it :P

I think Paul described todays market perfectly, bandwidth is very cheap, content producers are giving their footages as a gift ( Good content if you know where to look at it could still be found, but its coming more and more difficult! ), lots of people taking advantage of safe harbors, etc and setting a very dangerous precedent .... "Porn on internet is free, why would you pay for it?"

5 Years ago, i did a huge ammount of money monthly ( For being an affiliate ), today i must say i'm paying the operational costs from this same work only and living from savings i did then.

The thing here is, and i think where Paul is going with this thread, what are you here for? To make shit loads of money easily? Or to bring a solid/good product you can feel proud of?

I think the days of doing easy money are gone for ever ....

About doing a good product you can be proud of, well, i think its very difficult, still, i'm on that journey and feel there is still a small chance for those who are about step in today and have a variety of solid skills ( Like being able to design, code, manage, sell and even shooting ) all at once in order to avoid those huge operational costs, and off course, working 24/7 :P I'm very proud of the sites i'm developing which you will be able to see in the following days ;P

Probably in one year, there won't be ever a chance to do this, as there won't be any real third party HQ content producers doing movies for licensing and affording to do your own would be unprofitable if you don't have other source of revenues like Paul said ( "Illegal" or non ethical tubes, etc ) ...

Anyway, paysites will eventually die and dating/webcams are definetely the future ....

Off course anyone could try and may have some good paysites running, i pretend to be one of those, but i think i will be on that place just because i love the challenge and love doing it, i think that there won't be anymore place for people just looking to only do huge ammount of bucks or even some small profit without pushing his ass like a fucking workaholic .... I guess we could afford to do a decent living from it, being proud for the product we have and working very hard to keep it up ..... Plain and simple ....

My two cents

Pd: btw Paul, i obviously know your work and lots of people i know which i respect admire your work, if anytime you like or need something, shoot me a message at [email protected]

03-27-2011, 12:22 PM
OnanistsCash Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 183	Interesting thread, i always like this kind of threads ;) Hope Shap takes some time to write something, always loved his feedback on this market future views Its also always funny to see Nathan answering on them LOL, not because he doesn't know what he is saying, he is probably one of the guys which better understands the field! If he is not the one who knows it best! Its funny just because he "may be" one of the pilars "guilty" for what Paul is describing which he simply calls it a market change/adapting and for others, like me, its a sick non ethical way of doing business ( Which on the other hand from were i come from is very common so its not something i get amazed of, but lets say i thought serious guys here in the REAL porn industry didn't do that kind of stuff .... On the other hand I also must say in some sick way admire that "transformation" skills he claims on his signature, its funny how i would love to have a coffee with him like a sort of fan someday and ask him lots of things even when i think he may be responsable for the beggining of the end of our biz LOL ) Anyway, back to what Paul says, let me talk about myself personally and my experience, which is not much compared to many people involved on this thread, but i will start, maybe some may keep it going ... I'm basically new-school, i entered on the biz in 2005 because i saw there was a huge gap between people in charge of selling sites and people with the technical skills .... I had always been out of the boards, honestly i never thought it was a place worth of spending time unless you need to get a job or promote something ( Right now about to launch a program so here i am ... ) I had been building sites and pushing third party programs since 2005 ( bbo, brazzers, etc ) and could afford to buy a nice house when i was 22 like a year after i got into the "biz". I remember even sending mail to brazzers asking them to promote them when they still didn't had an affiliate program and where promoting their own sites and i was told i was going to get contacted back when they launched the beta LOL Anyway, back to the thread itself .... I remember Shap saying on another thread some time ago something like this: "Online porn today, like any other market, evolved and its not anymore a biz where any young guy from his garage can make 250k a year, today is a game of big companies ...." I think that Shap comment pretty resumes it :P I think Paul described todays market perfectly, bandwidth is very cheap, content producers are giving their footages as a gift ( Good content if you know where to look at it could still be found, but its coming more and more difficult! ), lots of people taking advantage of safe harbors, etc and setting a very dangerous precedent .... "Porn on internet is free, why would you pay for it?" 5 Years ago, i did a huge ammount of money monthly ( For being an affiliate ), today i must say i'm paying the operational costs from this same work only and living from savings i did then. The thing here is, and i think where Paul is going with this thread, what are you here for? To make shit loads of money easily? Or to bring a solid/good product you can feel proud of? I think the days of doing easy money are gone for ever .... About doing a good product you can be proud of, well, i think its very difficult, still, i'm on that journey and feel there is still a small chance for those who are about step in today and have a variety of solid skills ( Like being able to design, code, manage, sell and even shooting ) all at once in order to avoid those huge operational costs, and off course, working 24/7 :P I'm very proud of the sites i'm developing which you will be able to see in the following days ;P Probably in one year, there won't be ever a chance to do this, as there won't be any real third party HQ content producers doing movies for licensing and affording to do your own would be unprofitable if you don't have other source of revenues like Paul said ( "Illegal" or non ethical tubes, etc ) ... Anyway, paysites will eventually die and dating/webcams are definetely the future .... Off course anyone could try and may have some good paysites running, i pretend to be one of those, but i think i will be on that place just because i love the challenge and love doing it, i think that there won't be anymore place for people just looking to only do huge ammount of bucks or even some small profit without pushing his ass like a fucking workaholic .... I guess we could afford to do a decent living from it, being proud for the product we have and working very hard to keep it up ..... Plain and simple .... My two cents Pd: btw Paul, i obviously know your work and lots of people i know which i respect admire your work, if anytime you like or need something, shoot me a message at [email protected]