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Old 04-23-2011, 08:43 PM  
sarettah
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Originally Posted by carzygirls View Post
I'm going to have to put an end to this discussion of what a person should ask for from a programmer.

You read that document... you know he was programming the API as that entire email thread was going on. I told him numerous times to just make sure the API code was the one I wanted because I wasn't around my computer. This was not a separate request from me to just ask him to insert some code.

As to another comment I read somewhere. I want the programming done as fast as possible and be done with it. I do not want to call on a programmer to change affiliate codes.

Russ, you know that was going on in that HELL of an email thread to get API programming done.

Not even commenting about hiring you, not hiring you. I think you've come to the correct conclusion and reason being exactly why I had such a problem with the past programmer.
I told you in my email that I would gladly give you my honest opinion of what went wrong in your discussion (the emails). If you want that discussion here, that's ok with me too. But, at your earlier request I am not going to have that discussion here so please do not tempt me with comments like you just made about "the HELL of an email thread.

I don't know if you were around when Dravyk was around or know of him. He owned allofthem.com and also had a software package that he had developed (using various programmers) called Contentgod. In it's time it was a very cool package. Drav is unfortunately not around anymore as he died of a Heart Attack a couple of years back.

He and I became very good friends across the span of a few years. We originally got together because he, like you, could not seem to find reliable programmers that would stick around. lolol. He used to burn through programmers like you wouldn't believe.

I ended up doing various projects with him from 2004 until he died, some were good, some failed, just like anything. Anyway, back to my point (because there is one).

Drav was a pain in the ass client a lot of times. Like you, he just wanted to say do it and get it done. It took a lot of time working with him to get him educated to the point that it doesn't always work that way and it was not in his best interest to approach things that way.

You have made multiple threads across the past few months seeking programmers. You seem to have a problem keeping them or in your terms finding reliable ones with sanity.

I have, in my weird little way, tried to help you out, tried to point out some of the issues.

We programmers are weird because we usually deal in exacts rather than generalities. Most people speak in generalities and that leaves room for miscommunication. That is the bridge that you need to span, strictly in my opinion, if you want to find and keep a good programmer.

Something that I have said to the owner of my company many times. "I can't do this by osmosis". I need to understand what is in your head to be able to make it occur on the computer and the only way I know how to get something out of someone's head, unless they are extremely good at writing up a requirements document, is to ask questions.

You have often stated that you do not have to do that with your designer. It is great that you found someone that is on the same wavelength as you for those tasks but you might take a long time to reach that level with a programmer. Then again, you might luck out too.

Good luck to you, for real.

And with that I am out of this thread and off to bury my head in code for a couple of hours.


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