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Originally Posted by ottopottomouse
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Also, its a business. Business is about now not how well someone once did so the people anybody new is more likely to respect are the ones who are currently successful.
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It does go both ways. But to your second point, newbs who are smart will also throw some of that "respect" and a good part of their learning curve to those who aren't only successful currently but those who have been successful for a long time, like 5-10+ years. Some here have been at this (whatever they do in this industry) for nearly 15 years. Trust me, if you've made a living in online adult for that long and you're still around you are doing something right. (those who retired rich not withstanding)
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Originally Posted by jimmycooper
It goes both ways.
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Yes, as I said, it does. Still doesn't change the fact that a part of the reason why some newer members AREN'T as successful as they'd like to be is due to thier lack of interest in understanding the history of the business and who and what came before them.
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Before I started last summer, I read the past 8 or so PRVT annual reports.Here are the PDFs
In terms of publicly available hard data, which is very limited in the industry, I think those reports are the best way to retroactively map out the past decade. I know they only represent the results of one company, but the reports do contain a lot of industry-wide market insight from the perspective of a 45 year old publicly traded company.
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That is so not even close to what I mean by "understanding the history of our business". You're way way off.
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Yet somehow that same type of humility is lost upon people who lucked out in buying a keyword rich domain 8 years ago and are now sitting on so much indexed content that it's nearly impossible for them to fuck up the SEO no matter how hard they try! It seems to me like many of the original innovators retired or left for greener pastures before the inmates took over the asylum and left a giant mess for others to clean up.
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Can't argue with any of that really. It does apply to some, not all, however, but it's largely true.
Yes, the respect can definitely run both ways, but I've seen many posts in recent years of people who a year ago, 2-5 years ago even, didn't exist on the boards or on the web with whatever websites they now run, who have made some pretty idiotic comments to long-timers. Tells me they simply have zero clue as to what brought us all to where we are with online Adult. A few express an interest in learning about it, but most don't.
That's my point, and argue if you must but the fact is I'm right. If I were coming to the wm boards as a complete newb today I would do the same thing I did 12+ years ago, I would seek out those who came before, learn a little history and who did what, take a look at what they did, learn from it, and set my course based on success rather than pretend I know it all and have the game figured out.
It's different if you're coming in with a new idea and without any advice or help you pull it off and make it fly, and profit from it. Most don't though. Most come in thinking they might start a TGP or get into the content game or maybe build a tube site, some are even still into gallery building/submitting. It's those people who come in without a solid business plan that my comments are most directed at, and there are a lot of them here.
Seriously, there are people here who don't know who PK is. There are plenty who run their keyboards at 12clicks yet obviously by their comments know ziltch about what the guy has actually done in this business. If you're asking who the hell is Marc D then I'm shaking my head at you. To me it means that person is a know-nothing NEWB who should yap less and learn more.
Cheers.