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Originally Posted by gideongallery
you just made my point for me
ever since timeshifting in a cloud has been validated by supreme court the intent of p2p user is no longer just infringement
so all of the point you made about the infrastructure provider apply to the p2p transaction
my intent is to use the swarm as a timeshifting/backup cloud, for content i paid for
the only way you can make that illegal is claim that even 1 infringement happening anywhere within the transaction invalidates all the transactions within the process
guess what same logic would have to apply to the internet, intent be damed.
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Not really no. I'm not trying to outlaw P2P / file sharing / time shiting / backup cloud or whatever new word you decide to call it. Legitimate usage I have no issues with legal use of P2P. It's not at all compare-able with the internet as a whole.
If infringements happens because of something you do your responsible.
By your logic we should outlaw roads because people are speeding on them.
P.S. I love how you say "not JUST infringement"
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Originally Posted by gideongallery
again supreme court decision to allow timeshifitng in a cloud changes this again
the process is not infringing by it very nature
there are both legitimate and illegitimate actions within the very same swarm
and the seeders have NO IDEA which people in the swarm are which.
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Cloud may not by it's nature be illegal however it can be used for illegal purposes which doesn't actually make the cloud illegal just the action itself.
Again you can drive a car but it's neither the cars or the roads fault if you commit a crime while driving.
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Originally Posted by gideongallery
but you do have a right to download it so that validates the transaction
except you eliminate the crime at the same time which invalidates the conspiricy too
look it up
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Nobody have the right to download anything they do not have the right to possess so the crime have not been invalidated
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Originally Posted by gideongallery
re read the testimony of JV when the mpaa was attempting to tarriff VCR because the fair use of timeshifting went too far
everything you are saying is not allowed, was explictly complained about (along with making commercial free copies)
those rights were all established with timeshifting right in the past, stop trying to take them away from the new technology.
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In Denmark they managed to tariff CDs, this specific part I have not looked into, however my common sense tells me that since the CD's was tariffed the purpose of the cd's was to distribute the copies hence made it legal. If they are not tariffed it means the purpose of the CDs was not to distribute copies.