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Old 07-04-2011, 02:51 PM  
gideongallery
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Originally Posted by mynameisjim View Post
I never flip flopped. I questioned the notion put forward by DamianJ that Nefllix has succeeded because it gave former pirates what they wanted and converted them into paying customers. Ask any stock analyst who follows Neflix as a company and they will tell you that Netflix has succeeded by taking all of the customers away from Blockbuster Video and other brick and mortar rental stores, not because they converted pirates into paying customers.

Netflix and iTunes have had a negligible impact on piracy, that was my point and that's why I questioned whether or not those two companies "fixed" piracy as was claimed in the original post.
re read his post he never said it "fixed" piracy just that it was more effective then trying to fight it by suing users.


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Originally Posted by DamianJ View Post
The goal *should* be to make the product available how the punters want it, at a price they are prepared to pay.

Look at music and movies. They did what you are doing. Trying to fight a battle you can't win. Then they changed tack, and iTunes came out. Offering people music at a reasonable price that was REALLY easy to get. One click. Done. The experience was BETTER than piracy. So it succeeded. Now look at movies. Same thing. Netflix came about offering a BETTER experience at a reasonable price. Huge success now. Many camps are saying netflix is solely responsible for a reduction in p2p traffic on US ISPs. How about games? Look at Steam and the success they are getting. Same point. Better experience.

I'd suggest the time and effort and money spent trying to fight a battle you admit you can't win would be better spent trying to create a better mousetrap. After all, it has worked for movies and music.

suing users got MORE people pirating shit, in part because many people saw piracy as a way to protest the violation of fair use

did netflix take people who were pirating movies because they wanted it to be free, no

but those people who were using torrents for fair use purposes were given a cheap alternative to dealing with much slower torrents.

if you used torrents like a vcr you could replace it with netflix and get better then ppv movies on subscription for 9.95/ month.

drop your rogers subscription down and you could save a lot of money.
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