mynameisjim

You posted an article from Torrent Freak which implies that Netflix is turning torrent downloaders into paying customers yet makes no citations and presents no proof other than the fact that they say so.

You're the one trying to make the argument that Netflix is gaining a majority of it's customers at the expense of piracy, yet you still haven't posted proof. The burden is on you to prove it. Here is a business article that shows that Netflix succeeded at the expense of Blockbuster, which is what I have been saying all along. Show me an objective business related article that says Netflix has succeeded because it turned pirates into paying subscribers and we can go from there. But until then you have yet to show proof other than a biased Torrent Freak article which implies what you are trying to prove.

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-n...graphic-2011-3

Also, Torrent Freak is not an objective news source you can use to support your argument. It's like citing a Wall Street Journal Op-Ed piece to support your political position. You can use biased source material to help you explain your argument, but not to prove it. Second, Torrent Freak uses the same spin that Gideon uses all the time, and that's to try to prove that piracy only causes harm when you try to fight it, if you just leave it alone, it will all work out. Teenagers use this tactic with their parents all the time. When they get caught doing something they shouldn't they argue that the problem isn't the problem, it's the parents response that's the problem.

Once again, I agree that businesses needs to adapt to give customers an alternative, but you have to be honest when arguing what works and what doesn't. And you and Gideon have not been honest when citing the examples in this thread. Which is silly when you guys could still make your argument without stretching the truth and rewriting history to fit your position.

Netflix streaming is a good example of giving paying customers what they want, but it's not a good example when it comes to turning pirates into paying customers, which is what you were trying to say.

But I think I've said all I can in this thread so I'm not going to post anymore. Personally, I have nothing against pro piracy types like Gideon, so debates like this aren't personal for me like they are for some who lose their tempers. All I ask is that people remain objective if they want to have a real debate and discussion.

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