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Originally Posted by mynameisjim
You posted an article from Torrent Freak which implies that Netflix is turning torrent downloaders into paying customers yet makes no citations and presents no proof other than the fact that they say so.
You're the one trying to make the argument that Netflix is gaining a majority of it's customers at the expense of piracy, yet you still haven't posted proof. The burden is on you to prove it. Here is a business article that shows that Netflix succeeded at the expense of Blockbuster, which is what I have been saying all along. Show me an objective business related article that says Netflix has succeeded because it turned pirates into paying subscribers and we can go from there. But until then you have yet to show proof other than a biased Torrent Freak article which implies what you are trying to prove.
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the article you used didn't prove the point you were making either
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I should point out that Netflix didn?t take down Blockbuster single-handedly. I think that similar streaming services like Hulu Plus had something to do with it as well.
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Also, Torrent Freak is not an objective news source you can use to support your argument. It's like citing a Wall Street Journal Op-Ed piece to support your political position. You can use biased source material to help you explain your argument, but not to prove it.
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and the article was also an oppinion piece, a description of what the author believed was the death of blockbuster.
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Second, Torrent Freak uses the same spin that Gideon uses all the time, and that's to try to prove that piracy only causes harm when you try to fight it, if you just leave it alone, it will all work out. Teenagers use this tactic with their parents all the time. When they get caught doing something they shouldn't they argue that the problem isn't the problem, it's the parents response that's the problem.
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if all you have to do is leave it alone and it will cause no harm, i would not be teaching people how to exploit the medium.
You have to do something, the difference is instead of fighting the fair use rights created by the new technology i show people how to embrace them.
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Once again, I agree that businesses needs to adapt to give customers an alternative, but you have to be honest when arguing what works and what doesn't. And you and Gideon have not been honest when citing the examples in this thread. Which is silly when you guys could still make your argument without stretching the truth and rewriting history to fit your position.
Netflix streaming is a good example of giving paying customers what they want, but it's not a good example when it comes to turning pirates into paying customers, which is what you were trying to say.
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again not what he is saying at all, he said it was better then sueing customers
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But I think I've said all I can in this thread so I'm not going to post anymore. Personally, I have nothing against pro piracy types like Gideon, so debates like this aren't personal for me like they are for some who lose their tempers. All I ask is that people remain objective if they want to have a real debate and discussion.
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i am not pro piracy i am pro fair use i have never defended piracy i have only defended fair use and the right of privacy.
secondly you misquoted an article which was nothing but the opinion of the author to prove your point.
Even the author didn't make the point you said he did