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Originally Posted by DamianJ
So, the Macdonalds or the library or Starbucks would get throttled. Brilliant!
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My point wasn't to push the blame onto them it was to simply point out that if you wanted to use someone else's WiFi for illegal downloading there are a lot easier ways to do so than to hack into someone's.
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Doesn't matter how many people ARE doing it. It is possible. It is, in fact, facile. With free tools online. As is spoofing and IP.
Therefore, there will *always* be reasonable doubt. And no actual proof. Always.
You only need one case for it to stand up in court though, don't you.
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You are right on all of these accounts. So again, I ask, which would you rather have? Would you rather the ISP contact you and tell you they suspect that you are illegally downloading and if you are not you can contact them and hope that they can help you find out it you have been hacked etc or would you rather nobody says anything, they come into your house, seize your computers and you get to explain in court how it wasn't you and you must have been hacked?
To me it seems a little more sensible to try to deal with the problem before lawyers get involved than to just suddenly one day be accused of a crime and forced to defend yourself in court.
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Read up on it before coming to an opinion. The ISPs fought tooth and nail to NOT do this.
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I'll look more into it. I assumed they didn't just go happily along with it, there must have been some serious pressure put on the.
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Yes, yes technically on their shitty little upstreams. I think you knew I meant the active groups that grab the content and upload it in the first place. The initial seeders. There really aren't very many hugely active.
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Sure, in a perfect world these would be the people that would be best to go after. I remember a while back when the new Guns N Roses album was about to come out and it leaked online. Somehow they tracked down the guy who was the initial leak and he got in some serious trouble. The same thing happened with the Wolverine movie. It leaked online before it was in theaters. They tracked down the guy who leaked it and reamed him. Of course, that didn't stop anyone, but at least they faced consequences for their actions.
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They use the *law* to find *proof* that someone is wholesale stealing and uploading pirated content. They get an IP address > physical address > they go there > they have a warrant and seize all computer equipment > they search the hard drives > they find *proof* a crime has happened > the perp is prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
You know, like with other crimes. Research, evidence, judge jury, prosecution. That seems to work for other things...
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In a perfect world I would agree with you. I go back to my earlier statement above. If you are truly innocent and are a victim of hacking would you rather get a warning that you are suspected of pirating so you can contact your ISP and work with them to find out what is happening and stop it or would you rather be sitting in your living room watching TV one afternoon and have the police show up to seize your stuff and have to explain to them that it wasn't you?
Neither option is good, but to me it is the difference between being warned that you might get punched and just getting kicked in the balls for no reason.
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All this is moot really anyway. If it was 6 years ago, maybe. But use of torrents for wares is so old now. The file lockers and illegal tubes are the problem. Not torrents. I bet you a gajamillion dollar pounds that if there was a magic wand and torrents vanished overnight sales of porn would not be altered one jot.
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I agree. It might dip down for a short time, but there will always be some other way and some other system. The cat is out of the bag now. To me this is why this ISP system might help to some degree. You can go after all the uploaders and seeders in the world. You can go after the torrent sites all day long, in the end if there is a demand there will be a supply, just like drugs. The drug war is a complete and utter failure. The only part of the drug war that has had any success at all is the early education programs that helps inform people and keep them from using drugs in the first place. Maybe informing people and letting them know that what they are doing is wrong and could cost them down the road will ultimately help curb the demand.