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Originally Posted by SallyRand
The situation around here seems to be something like this:
Most of the webmasters here simply cannot get past the traditional methods of relying on search engine results to gain visitors to their sites and are still hung up in the Google Dance, which dance changes its tunes and steps almost weekly. The Panda thing literally killed thousands of websites, movoing them from high PR to like page 647 so that all those meta tags, keywords and all that Google fol-de-rol proved to have gotten the webmasters noplace.
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Most of us have adapted over the past 5 years to include other methods of traffic generation than google. However, due the fact that google provides the best converting porn traffic it is always highly sought after. Those of us who actually had unique content filled sites were favored in the update.
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Originally Posted by SallyRand
Driving traffic through any of the various means of automation; double-opt-in emailing and auto-poster porograms are regarded by those same webmasters as "spamming" and they feel themselves above them. Of course every mainstream company on the planet engages in at least opt-in mailing; each and every time you register a product, sign up for anything free or agree to receive a newsletter, you have signed up to receive *commercial* emails from not only the company with which you signed up but their friends and buddies as well.
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So your answer to not relying on the search engines for traffic is to use an opt in or double opt in? Believe it or not it does take traffic (and usually some freebie) to get someone to signup for an opt in list. I mean its not like you can just go to a forum like this
http://www.es5.com/blackhat-seo/emai...k-please-6552/
and just have someone scrape you up some emails right? ;)
BTW: I use double opt-in froms on most of my sites adult and mainstream. The signup rate and conversion with mainstream blows adult out of the water. You probably already know this though because of all the adult sites you run.
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Originally Posted by SallyRand
It works for them even though many people forget they sign up, didn't read the privacy policy or TOS and then howl about being "spammed" which of course they were not within the definition of the CAN-SPAM Acat of 2003.
Is it better to dirve traffic or try to improve the so-called *quality* of visitors in order to get more signups?
To me the asnwer seems to be obvious!
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Once again, you can improve the quality of visitors, but you still need the traffic to do this.
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Originally Posted by SallyRand
IMing is a number game. I'd rather have a larger number of views, which will generate a larger number of signups than sitting around trying to convert more of the much smaller amount of traffic already coming in.
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Contradict yourself much?
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Originally Posted by SallyRand
Far as forum auto-posters go, I'm fine with them and use them. Forum mods don't want open posting they can require manual approval and when they do so, they find out how many real signups they are getting for their silly-assed forums and blogs anyway and ignore the fact that the more posts they get, regardless of the source or linking involved, the posts and signups actually help them with their precious Google Dance.
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OK, so you rationalize spamming (by my meaning not by CAN-SPAM meaning) forums and blogs by saying it will help them in the eyes of google?
Knowing this information lets me know that you have no morals or just really really poor judgement in marketing. I would never do business with your company just because of this post, let alone all the other ones circulating saying much harsher stuff.