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Originally Posted by Rochard
Don't get me wrong. I don't think Israeli is without fault here. They are trying to grab as much land as they can.
But not every nationality or race has the right to self determination and statehood. Look at the Basque and the Amish - They have their own culture, and while they have their own rules they follow the laws of the country (or in the case of the Basque the "countries") they are located in.
I'm not saying that the Palestinians don't deserve statehood. However, the moment a rocket is launched from this new country, it's no longer a minor terrorist attack - it's an act of war. Once the Palestinians have their own country, they have to operate by international law. (In concept so does Israel really.)
The Palestinians create a country, rocket attacks continue, and eventually Israel will invade - and finally take the last of the land by force. The only way this will work is if the Palestinians can stop all of the rocket attacks and terrorist attacks.
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Good answer.
And there's more. The Israelis will have to get out of the land they occupied by putting towns and farms on stolen land, which makes the "defense" excuse void. No one puts houses and farms on land that's a buffer between you and your enemies unless you're pretty sure they can't or won't do squat.
The problem goes way back and based on the Old Testament.
Abraham, I told you it goes way back, was the head of a nomadic tribe of herdsman. Him and his cousin Lott fell out and Lott left the tribe and took his family to Sodom. We know that part. Well Lott and his two surviving daughters were alone in a cave and had sex. The girls got pregnant and the 2 sons were the fathers of the Canaanites.
So fast forward a few centuries.
Moses took the Children of Israel from Egypt, you know that one as well. Then God told them the land of the Canaanites was theres and they were to kill all the Canaanites who opposed them. Even gave them the plans to The Ark which was a Weapon of Mass Destruction and made walls fall down so they could kill the Canaanites and all their goats, beasts and dogs also. On Gods orders to take the land he had given them.
Also empowered people like Joshua, David and Solomon and all the rest to make sure they kept the land they were given by God.
Which didn't count for squat when the Babylonians invaded Israel and again enslaved the in Babylon and they decided to write the Talmud while there. And tell it the way they wanted it to be.
So basically, this tribe of wandering nomads, grew big enough to conquer the Canaanites land, kill all who stood in their way and they were blameless, because God told them to.
Of course if you look for actual evidence of what's in the Old Testament in Exodus, you find an amazing lack of evidence to back it up. The Egyptian never wrote a thing about Moses and all that part, plagues were and are common in that part of the world. Joshua lived at the wrong time for the bringing down the walls of Jericho, which was built on a fault line and suffered from earth quakes and a lot more of his conquests are bogus claims, no one has ever found proof or evidence of the Ark, Sodom and Gomorrah can be explained easily. The region is covered with oil and gas deposits.
It's a book of fiction which they base their rights on.
If you look at the history of Israel, the Israelis have no real rights to it. Definitely not on the wishes of any God. They stole it from one tribe, repeatedly could never keep it until they got massive support from the US. The number of people who occupied the land include the Egyptians, Babylonians, Hittites, Romans, Christians, Muslims, Turks, Germans, English and now a bunch of Jewish nomads from mainly Europe and then across the world and now call it their homeland.
It was always home to Jews, Christians and Muslims. Now Israel wants to change that.