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Shotsie · 09-20-2011, 06:48 AM

Whether or not kids do well in school has a lot more to do with parenting than with a teacher's skill level. If the kids aren't instilled with a strong work ethic from an early age, or they just aren't very intelligent, the best teachers in the world aren't going to help them. That's not to downplay the importance of competent teachers-I believe good teaching can make the difference between a mediocre student and an exceptional student-but the problem is more of a cultural problem than a fiscal one. I don't think the teachers in New Jersey are any better or worse than anywhere else in the country.

I have a couple friends that went through the public school system in New Jersey, one of them went to pharmacy school and is the head pharmacist at a store for one of the big chains, another got accepted to West Point, went through the military academy and then got accepted to Hahnemann University Hospital School of Medicine. He's going through his residency to become some kind of surgeon. I also know a couple kids from New Jersey who are heroin addicts, degenerate gamblers, drug dealers or working dead-end jobs and doing nothing with their lives. What all these people have in common is that they grew up in the same neighborhood and had the same oppurtunities, but most of the fuck-ups came from broken homes, not necessarily poor, just victims of bad upbringing.

I would be pretty skeptical about a movie like that to begin with judging by the timing of it's release. Contrary to what was thrown around in the media when the shit was going down in Wisconsin, the average teacher's salary in New Jersey is only about 40,000 a year take home, when you total in pension and their healthcare plan it's about 58,000, and they live in one of the most expensive states in the country. Keep in mind that teachers are paid less than people in other professions that require similar degrees also.

Fun Fact: Attendance rates in Camden highschools are so fucking bad they actually started offering the kids 100$ if they showed up for the first 15 days of school.

09-20-2011, 06:48 AM
Shotsie Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: 12th & Tree Posts: 1,208	Whether or not kids do well in school has a lot more to do with parenting than with a teacher's skill level. If the kids aren't instilled with a strong work ethic from an early age, or they just aren't very intelligent, the best teachers in the world aren't going to help them. That's not to downplay the importance of competent teachers-I believe good teaching can make the difference between a mediocre student and an exceptional student-but the problem is more of a cultural problem than a fiscal one. I don't think the teachers in New Jersey are any better or worse than anywhere else in the country. I have a couple friends that went through the public school system in New Jersey, one of them went to pharmacy school and is the head pharmacist at a store for one of the big chains, another got accepted to West Point, went through the military academy and then got accepted to Hahnemann University Hospital School of Medicine. He's going through his residency to become some kind of surgeon. I also know a couple kids from New Jersey who are heroin addicts, degenerate gamblers, drug dealers or working dead-end jobs and doing nothing with their lives. What all these people have in common is that they grew up in the same neighborhood and had the same oppurtunities, but most of the fuck-ups came from broken homes, not necessarily poor, just victims of bad upbringing. I would be pretty skeptical about a movie like that to begin with judging by the timing of it's release. Contrary to what was thrown around in the media when the shit was going down in Wisconsin, the average teacher's salary in New Jersey is only about 40,000 a year take home, when you total in pension and their healthcare plan it's about 58,000, and they live in one of the most expensive states in the country. Keep in mind that teachers are paid less than people in other professions that require similar degrees also. Fun Fact: Attendance rates in Camden highschools are so fucking bad they actually started offering the kids 100$ if they showed up for the first 15 days of school.