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Old 10-03-2011, 07:47 AM  
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they need to get their message out better... most americans, myself included still have no idea what they are trying to accomplish

my personal 3 step approach to getting america back on track..

1- decriminalize marijuana and taxing it to bring in huge revenues while cutting spending on war on drugs and saving a ton of money keeping these people in jail
2 - end wars and bring troops home and give them jobs rebuilding shitty infrastructure
3 - and my personal favorite - legalize and tax poker

huge money to be made on all of the above for the government
It's more complicated then that. Prohibition is used to control people mostly. Here's something I wrote in another thread, theses are things we need to fix in order to build a strong system. You cannot base a system that rewards risk taking and short term vision. It just won't be stable.

I normally try not to get into theses discussions, as it's way too complex too explain on a message board. It's a bunch of inter-connected issues that are creating the problem. Everyday folks can see there is a problem, but aren't capable of wording it proprely.

1st - The financial crisis
The main problem I see right now is accountability. The people running business are the ones responsible for the current crisis. The governement didn't de-regulate itself. The financial industry lobbied the gov to do it. The CDs, derivatives and other toxic products weren't meant to be. Extending pretty much unlimited credit lines to anybody without verification sure as hell dosen't sound like a good plan to me. That's why they insured it and passed the hot potatoe to the genral populace, in form of AAA rated financial products. The people who created theses products should be held accountable, they knew damn well that the market was gonna fail, years ahead of time. Hell GFY was talking about it a long time before it crashed, it couldn't be that hard to see it comming. Yet Greenspan was denying it until the last minute.

And when you talk wall street, you're also talking about the FED. The FED is 'giving' money left and right to rich businessmen. It's NOT tickling down to the middle class. See : http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...ilout-20110411

Yet I don't see the people responsible in jail. They all got richer, and are better off after the crisis then before. The people who created this problem are now the ones in charge of fixing it, when they should be in jail.

2 - The politicisation of corporations
Corporate is more and more involved in politics. It's involvement will be on levels unprescented in the next election, with the supreme court considering corporations as human beeings as far as first amandement rights goes. The problem is that they're not bound by a moral code, and most of the time, breaking the laws is better for the wallet. They took over the Tea Party and made sure to marginalize it, they will do the same with this org. Instead of the Koch brothers, it will be the unions this time who will try to manipulate the speach in their favor, instead of focusing on the real problem.

Look at what happened with the wisconsin recalls... Corporates (kochs & cie) made sure that it was very hard to vote. They sent disinformation about the dates (wich should be downright criminal) , instaured fake opposition candidates to leech a small percentage of the voteaway , made sure it was as hard as it could to vote for minorities... They are basicly using private money to manipulate and destroy the political system.

3 - Military industrial complex
The americans are paying to police the world for their corporations. They are the one opening the markets, wich coups d'états and military operations. (South america anyone ?). But the corporations are refusing to give back to the system. They try everything they can to avoid paying taxes, the burden then falls on the middle class. They are the one gathering the ressources made avaliable by the army, the CIA and other military orgs and pushing for open markets. Mr Friedman already had a lot of blood on his hands came the time of his death.

4 - War on the middle class
The right wing of the republican party is attacking the middle class directly. They are starting a race to the bottom by deregulating everything. Competing for the cheapest wages. In Wisconsin, Scott Walker declared war on the unions. He started by creating a big hole in the budjet by giving corporations a huge tax break, then proceeded to ask the unions to cut about the same ammount in fees. The union accepted, and he still proceeded with his agenda to dismantle bargaining right. He was backed by corporatists Koch brothers and the rest of the establshement, passed bills in last minute votes and disrespected the democratic process the whole time. See https://youtube.com/watch?v=SGDp581g9t0

In michigan, they cut founding to the municipalities, while at the same time passing a bill saying that they would dissolve the local govs of any towns in financial trouble. Basicly firing the mayor, the council and disrespecting the voters once again. They would appoint one administrator, wich once again will strip off the hard working people of their barginnign rights.

5 - The commodity market
The deregulation of the commodity market is another big problem. It's driving the food and the petrol prices way up, once again on the back of the middle classes. Theses tools were meant as way to stabilize the prices, not to drive them up. With all the cheap credit avaliable out there, they need to better regulate them. While buying a house is cheaper then it was before the crisis, filling the grocery cart is twice as expensive. The market is global, and people in the rest of the world are starving while rich people make money off theses markets. You shouldn't be able to inveset multiple times the ammount of money you put in, while never taking delivery of the product.

6 - Conclusion
I could cite hundreads of instances where people in positions of power (politicians or businessmen) abused it and should be in jail. People fail to realise how deep they have to dig to get out of trouble. The jobs aren't comming back. America's biggest asset to the world is that it's a net exporter of intellectual propreity, but everything gets pirated or stolen. When they wake up, it will be too late.

Sept 11 was probably the day where there was the most 'unity' in the world. Everybody wanted to help. The administration used it to polarize the country in order to better manipulate the population. They are dividing the people, making them focus on abortion and gay rights while pillaging and destroying the foundation of the world they live in.

The financial elite clearly declared war on the middle class, not the other way arround. I don't like the 1% beeing used, as a lot of people making 300k a year are legit. But there sure are a lot of crooked people in positions of power.
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I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?
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