Originally Posted by Socks

Your position is that society only takes care of its people when it's forced to by its government, which I don't think is true at all. In my opinion older people are treated better by their families in poor countries, because not having a social net forces families to stay together and deal with their problems. Kids live at home longer. Parents stay married longer.

Without the government bloat, how many extra dollars would actually make it to the projects that do good? All government monies come from the people, and they've done a shit job of handling that money, in just about every country on earth, no matter what political party or type of government it is.

The only solution to that problem is to have a smaller government with less responsibilities.

The cost of government isn't just the income tax. It's the debt burden on all their purchases and programs. They have too many opportunities to put things on our tab.