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Some interesting posts (and even Paul Markham there!? lol).
My 2 cents on following:
Fob: "It converts bad because cams are free now....mfc, chaturbate. "
And helterskelter808: "The 'free' sites [] appeal to a different kind of surfer. [] Regular 1-1 pvt cams..."
helterskelter808 is right. We launched our free cam site tubecamgirl.com and it did NOT reduced the private chats at chatgf.com. Believe it or not. Also since the girl play for free, we get traffic also for free (altough we have to buy traffic to ignite the site), an some of them then signup chatgf for ppv. Yes they see a girl play for free an hour in tubecamgirl, THEN, will pay $3 a minute to talk her clothed in private. This is not intuitive but that's what we see. Plus some guys are sending tips to the girls in tubecam of course - altough not yet in $1000 pieces as some crazy one drops in myfreecams top girls rooms. But that would be just a matter of time and volume to happen. Simply if you have 1000 guys in a room and 10-15 of them sending tips, they will want to show who is the king and this is why we have put a crown icon to the (1) top tipper in userlist - it works.
If you have a room with same girl playing the same but few guys and no one sending a tip, then the same guy who dropped $1000 tip in previous scenario, will not tip as he feels idiot instead of a king.
signupdamnit: "how many of these cam sponsors do you think will allow some small affiliate to get 20% for life from some whale who spends $20,000 a year for five years"
We never gave rev share so had not the dilemma. It is probable that some cam program in some case shaved, but, I also heard of webmasters who enjoyed year(s) of revshare from whales so I think there is less shaving then someone thinks. I mean even if no one shaved ever, you had the same or 95% the same conversion issue we discuss about.
Paul Markham: "Yes talk to the man who advertises on a piracy forum. "
Paul, I come from content production so I sure hate who does money from stolen content. I was producing pics and vids solo girls, russian studios st.peterburg and novosibirks, good old times pre-2004 - then after 2004 I converted studios in to cam ones - then setup cam sites for others, then for own etc.
Said that, ACCIDENTALLY the advertising networks put my ads (or redirected skimmed blind cj) from dvdrip and fill site tip (file sonic and such) pages. And, I got PAYING customers from there, believe it or not.
Currently, since the authorized sample clips are now 10+ minutes and decent quality, and infinite amount to search and watch (I repeat: even if just browsing the affiliate clips, no more long only 2 minutes!), the result it seems that cj redirect or banners in these sites have the same (or worst now?) conversion ratio then the piratebay or xxx dvd/site-rip forums, at least for CAMS. I am not saying this is good or bad, I simply see it in conversion ratios.
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