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Originally Posted by kane
And I think you got the Ben Franklin quote wrong.
He said: "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety"
He also said a variation of that: "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety"
Somehow I don't think he was talking about your freedom to see torrent sites as a "cloud backup system" for your content.
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he said both
that why i put both quotes in the list
the second one i referenced was as a moral justification for the revolution against the british
the former was to quell the desire to surrender to the british. He had to say the former multiple times in multiple different ways because there were a lot of people who wanted to give up
he wasn't taking about porn either, so what your point
should we outlaw this entire industry.
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If Gideon got his way there would be no TV shows, movies or much in the way of music/radio.
Gideon would have it so that if Sony decided to sue people who were illegally downloading their content and they filed 10,000 lawsuits and 9,999 of them were correct and ended up with them winning in court or settling out of court (even though they may be innocent), but one of them happened to be where someone innocent was accidentally charged then Sony has to give up all of their copyrights. So all of their movies, music and TV shows now become public domain and their source of income is gone.
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you realize that you just declared it absolutely guarrenteed that peoples rights are going to get trampled if we put this law on the book right
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you have already acknowledged that open source proves putting your shit in the public domain doesn't stop you from selling it
so are you deliberately lying here.
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So what would happen is that companies would simply not do anything about piracy. They would be forced to just let it happen for fear that they might accidentally charge the wrong person and lose everything they have. When there is absolutely no deterrent and everyone knows they can't come after you piracy would explode to the point where many companies would simply either stop making content or they would make it so cheap and so low budget that it sucked, but they would be forced to to do so because the window of actually making money on it would be very small.
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seriously moron what about the word NEW rights do you not understand
who said anything about changing all the old ways of taking down piracy
every company has the right to keep using all the old rights already established.
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Put the crack pipe down. Now you are just making yourself look stupid. If you can't tell the difference between slavery and pirating you need to sue whatever education system it is that graduated you.
Could I run for political office by telling people that those with the money make the rules and win? Probably not. That doesn't change the fact that it is a 100% true statement.
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your the one who said
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Those with the money make the rules and so long as that is the case there will never be an amendment like you want. You are living in dream land. No company is going to put themselves at risk like that.
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i just gave you two examples where the people with the money didn't get what they want.
if you want another recent example look at yes men pretending to be the chamber of commerce to decry "clean coal"
their exposing of the lies of that lobby group and as a result the bills they were all proposing got killed.
in fact the government reversed some of their long standing opposition to Kyoto agreement
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Why do you think we had a financial meltdown? Because those with the money changed the laws to benefit them so that they could do basically whatever they wanted at the expense of everyone else and they drove it into the dirt.
Bush allowed executives from major oil and power companies to work with Dick Cheney to help shape his energy policy. Lobbyists outnumber elected officials in washington by around 600 to 1. Money runs our system. Hell the supreme court just ruled that companies are people who have freedom of speech protection and can spend infinite amounts supporting or opposing political candidates. It is the dirty secret few people talk about because they like to imagine that we live in a fair society.
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the the problem it only works if you keep the actions a secret
do you think people would have voted bush in if they knew he was going to do this in advance
that exactly why i like things like asking for an amendment that void the copyright of any company that abuses the new permissions ONLY when the new rights are abused
rather then trying to fight
because they object they undeniable prove that the law is GOING TO BE ABUSED.
In advance of the law being passed they say we are going to take away your rights, we are going to do nothing to prevent your rights from getting squashed and the only way you can stop us is to not elect the politicians we have bought with our money.
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Every other bill has failed because it has had flaws it as does this one. Things aren't going to change tomorrow or next week or next month, but if piracy continues to grow and profits continue to shrink things will change and it won't be in your favor.
If you want to preserve your fair use rights you need to tell your pirate friends to stop stealing shit they have no rights to.
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Personally i will simply support "yes man" approach
agree to give you the innovation killing/fair use killing rights you claim you need to destroy the pirates (and only the pirates) if you put a clause that punishes copyright holders equally for killing innovation /fair use.
And then watch you explicitly admit that the law is going to get abused when you complain about how unfair it is to expect you to do due diligence before using the nuclear option.