Originally Posted by kane

I'm done debating the numbers game with you. You used my 10,000 example and divided it by world population and now you are trying to deny it. Anyone with a 5th grade education can see that.

As for your example.

I will give you 4 that I know of off the top of my head.

1. Everclear. I happen to know the singer and founder of the band. Their record deal was so bad that after their second album they declared bankruptcy in order to renegotiate their deal. The label was charging them for so many bullshit items under the heading of "Misc and other expenses" that they could never get out of debt. He told me personally the only way they made money off those first two albums was to tour. At the height of their fame they were playing 15-25K venues and they made some nice cash from it.

2. TLC. Almost same deal as above. They had a shitty deal and a lot of expenses so they made nothing off record sales, yet in a rolling stone article they mentioned how they were going to launch a large scale world tour before the next album so that they could make some money since they get nothing from the label and still owe the label money.

3. POD. I know a guy who was once the program director for a local rock radio station. Every year they put on a big summer concert. This particular year POD had a big album out. They ended up paying the band $600,000 to headline their show of around 40,000 people. It was tough to book them because they were doing heavy promotion for the record, but they told the program director that they love gigs like this because it is money they get, not the record company.

4.Scott Wyland/ Stone Temple Pilots. He was on Howard Stern a little while back talking about touring with the band again. He told Howard that he personally is broke because of all of his drug problems so he has to tour to make money. He explained how the band is actually still in debt to the record label so when someone buys an album they don't see a dime and the only way he can make money is on the road,but it is hard to do because the other members of the band saved their money from their previous world tours and don't need to tour now, but they do it to help Scott.

I'm sure there are more.